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Arri 65mm digital camera

Mark L. Pederson said:
I'd venture to say that buying up some medium format lenses now - would be a pretty smart move.
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Yes I think buying all the good medium format lenses available on ebay would probably be a really good investment. The question is how long it will take before the demand goes up. I think we will se quite a few medium format consumer cameras soon as well and that would for sure make it even crazier.
 
Medium format lenses are dirt cheap, it would be wise to start buying them up and cine modding them to get ready
 
Looking at that old roadmap…

I'd still be a sucker for a FF 35 4:3 sensor with todays dragon sensor.

BUT

My guess is that after seeing the 1st announcement, we'll see a lot of 65/70mm stuff stumbling down the stairs from the lofts before next NAB.

Anyone wanna bet against it?
 
Brian Merlen said:
...its no longer that only the most famous and rich people can make good quality images, and digital is a huge threat i think in general to the people who used to control the film world. its more then just pixel peeping, the threat of good technology going mainstream affects their business models, budgets, its all been going down hill with the whole digital revolution.
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With all due respect, Brian, I think the cameras don't fundamentally change the production business or affect costs as much as you think. The costs of lighting, lenses, mounts, and grip equipment is still the same. And the need for great cinematography hasn't gone away. To me, the camera portion is relatively trivial; the expertise needed to learn how to light, get a good image, operate the camera, and deal with post is far more complicated. It's not about being "famous and rich"; it's more about being experienced and having good judgement, which have nothing to do with fame or wealth. Handing you or me a 65mm camera will not turn us into Roger Deakins in five minutes.

I agree that a 65mm digital camera will primarily be a rental item, but there will still be issues with depth of field and focus, which are inherent in large-format productions. I don't think 65mm will be a choice for a lot of average users on everyday features, TV series, and commercials; I suspect it'll be the way 65mm was in the 1960s and 1970s: a "specialty" format for big productions and theme park rides.
 
BRANDON JAMESON said:
How's about a 4:3 sensor? Arri has more than proved that it makes very sound business sense to develop.
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yes please! This should be standard in any new "pro" cameras coming to market these days.
 
BRANDON JAMESON said:
How's about a 4:3 sensor? Arri has more than proved that it makes very sound business sense to develop.
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Erich Roland said:
yes please! This should be standard in any new "pro" cameras coming to market these days.
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Not sure I understand Erich Roland - are you saying that all 'pro' cameras should be 4:3? Why? I am a pro / commercial shooter (meaning I derive 100% of my income from shooting) and 95% of my jobs are 16:9. A 4:3 sensor would be a step back for me, and I would hazard a lot of other DP's.
65mm & anamorphic are both niche formats - together it doesn't get any niche -ier.
 
Well I never said the masses would make good looking images :) just that they now could afford quality tools to do so (more so run and gun your entirely right about the pricing of lights/grip/accessories). More so then Red the dslr/smart phone revolution is an amazing thing, youtube... Stupid videos on youtube can get millions of views, its kind of amazing in that sense I think.

But I don't want to go off on a different subject...I am hoping someone reports on this camera soon. At least my contacts confirmed its true, even though I cannot find any news yet on the new camera I am sure soon it will appear... So few projects have recently shot on this format its really interesting to me, focus and lensing regardless..


Marc Wielage said:
With all due respect, Brian, I think the cameras don't fundamentally change the production business or affect costs as much as you think. The costs of lighting, lenses, mounts, and grip equipment is still the same. And the need for great cinematography hasn't gone away. To me, the camera portion is relatively trivial; the expertise needed to learn how to light, get a good image, operate the camera, and deal with post is far more complicated. It's not about being "famous and rich"; it's more about being experienced and having good judgement, which have nothing to do with fame or wealth. Handing you or me a 65mm camera will not turn us into Roger Deakins in five minutes.

I agree that a 65mm digital camera will primarily be a rental item, but there will still be issues with depth of field and focus, which are inherent in large-format productions. I don't think 65mm will be a choice for a lot of average users on everyday features, TV series, and commercials; I suspect it'll be the way 65mm was in the 1960s and 1970s: a "specialty" format for big productions and theme park rides.
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Rental only Camera by Arri

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More info:
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We learned a while back that this would be a rental only camera with rental to business to rental concepts on the table, at least for the foreseeable future.

What's interesting to me is the quote about the "interest in this type of camera being very small", which I can understand.

From a rental house and owner/operator perspective there simply isn't much cinema style or quality large format glass out there. At least not today and not for a good while. Really interesting stuff on the rehoused lenses though, and that's something to take note of.

That said I'm a large format man and having large formats as a creative option is important. Large formats for me are S35 and up. For certain creators "industry support" isn't going to be the most important thing on their mind. That said, it's a niche product at the moment that we can't own.

One thing I'll point out in relationship to Dragon however is resolution, dynamic range, and frame rates. In which case Dragon has a lot going for it. And I was able to buy this beast.

Arri made a move around 2011 to not do Alexa4K (for now) and somewhere along the lines of 2013 this thing really got moving. The real game jutting into the existing future truly is the F65, the Alexa 65, and Red Dragon 6K.

6K holds lots of importance. As does pretty much anything 4K+ right now.

In our current landscape DCI 4K and UHD 4K are the targets for delivery.

Down the line, because the standard exists, DCI 8K and UHD 8K will happen. That's a few years out and there's a couple companies already pushing hard on that front, though again, not exactly from a camera you can buy's perspective and in the state they are in at the moment you wouldn't want to purchase one.

Interesting times we live in. 4K and 4K+ cameras available at a variety of price points and format sizes. Lot's of variation across each system's strengths and weaknesses too.

All I can say is I'm happy I have something in Red Epic Dragon that pushes out 6K and has pretty damn good color and dynamic range :)
 
So it's basically Alexa pixels but more of them in a different aspect ratio. Dragon remains competitive and in the same ball park. So far Arri catches up to Dragon but does not present something next generation Red will have to catch up with.
 
David Mullen ASC said:
Personally it seems that FF35 should be the next leap in sensor size, and there are more lenses to cover that format than 65mm. But as a specialty camera, 65mm sounds cool, would be fun to shoot.
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Might be the first digital camera that Christopher Nolan uses. He's gone towards 65mm more and more in his films and this might just be the camera to win him over to digital. Depends on the image quality though.

Michel Hafner said:
So it's basically Alexa pixels but more of them in a different aspect ratio. Dragon remains competitive and in the same ball park. So far Arri catches up to Dragon but does not present something next generation Red will have to catch up with.
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A 65mm sensor is competitive enough. I don't think people really understand this. Look at Nolan's movies.
 
Brian Merlen said:
im sure it wont sell in mass like alexa, but im sure it will book well as a niche lucrative option... seriously i'm betting the farm if I can swing it on this
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You gonna buy the glass for it too?
 
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