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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Any news from RED about new stuff for NAB 2014?

Aaron McLane said:
I think a new smaller Epic would be huge, maybe the long ago mentioned Pocket Epic is on it's way. The current Epic form factor is now older then the Red One when it went EOL.
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Weird times we're living in... The EPIC is by all intents and purposes such a new camera - barely a few years. To call it an "old" design ready to be EOL'ed is strange. I wouldn't like to live in a world where I swap totally different RED body factor cameras every few years. Buying a new set of accessories each time, by the way...

I miss the world of film cameras where you bought one and it lasted you literally 1-2 decades.

I think RED is trying to -recapture that with its now famous motto.
 
Medavoym said:
Weird times we're living in... The EPIC is by all intents and purposes such a new camera - barely a few years. To call it an "old" design ready to be EOL'ed is strange. I wouldn't like to live in a world where I swap totally different RED body factor cameras every few years. Buying a new set of accessories each time, by the way...

I miss the world of film cameras where you bought one and it lasted you literally 1-2 decades.

I think RED is trying to -recapture that with its now famous motto.
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It's not that it's an old design , just ergonomically a crap one.

Hopefully there's a new , larger, body upgrade with better ventilation and standard outputs and inputs. Reinventing the wheel with dsmc was a mistake.

David
 
I think that red system would greatly benefit from refreshed form factor:
make the camera body lower
lose the bottom I/O connectors and move them to the side.
Lose the touch screen interface- replace it with switches and simple lcd status display.
Lower the power draw in standby- that would make it dramatically cooler and quieter.
lose the wifi- it's pretty useless - replace it with some decent wireless protocol.
 
Canon pro body dslr Weatherproofing is my only wish, everything else on carbon dragon is or will be perfect once final tweaks are finished from my business uses. 100+ days of 90+ degree 100, 80% humidity, and salt air a year is tough on any electronics no matter what it's wrapped up in.
 
Jacek Zakowicz said:
I think that red system would greatly benefit from refreshed form factor:
make the camera body lower
lose the bottom I/O connectors and move them to the side.
Lose the touch screen interface- replace it with switches and simple lcd status display.
Lower the power draw in standby- that would make it dramatically cooler and quieter.
lose the wifi- it's pretty useless - replace it with some decent wireless protocol.
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I'm for keeping the touch screen interface. Very handy to be able to begin recording by simply double-tapping the right or left quarter of the touchscreen. Very helpful when movement might scare a wild subject. Just hide your hand behind the touchscreen and quickly begin recording.
 
Elsie N said:
I'm for keeping the touch screen interface...
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Totally agree!!! For your reasons and a zillion more. Losing the touch screen would be a huge step backward. Only with a virtual control system can things be constantly updated and improved with firmware. Physical control panels are a relic of the past.
 
Terry VerHaar said:
Totally agree!!! For your reasons and a zillion more. Losing the touch screen would be a huge step backward. Only with a virtual control system can things be constantly updated and improved with firmware. Physical control panels are a relic of the past.
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Terry with all due respect that's consumer/weekend shooter approach. Of course the touch screen saves on manufacturing costs but maybe it's time to grow out of that...
 
Why loose it? We could have both, no?
I would love some more physical buttons for certain situations, like sound levels
 
Jacek Zakowicz said:
Terry with all due respect that's consumer/weekend shooter approach. Of course the touch screen saves on manufacturing costs but maybe it's time to grow out of that...
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Wow - are you kidding? You actually think that the future of interface is knobs and buttons?? Sorry, but I think THAT is the stuff of an unsophisticated shooter - with all due respect, of course. LOL

And, BTW, I didn't say anything about manufacturing costs and that is not at all my point. I like being able to add soft controls on my touch screen which can reflect changes and upgrades as capabilities are added by the firmware. If anything beyond on-off switches and volume controls is too sophisticated, well... :huh:
 
Terry VerHaar said:
Wow - are you kidding? You actually think that the future of interface is knobs and buttons?? Sorry, but I think THAT is the stuff of an unsophisticated shooter - with all due respect, of course. LOL

And, BTW, I didn't say anything about manufacturing costs and that is not at all my point. I like being able to add soft controls on my touch screen which can reflect changes and upgrades as capabilities are added by the firmware. If anything beyond on-off switches and volume controls is too sophisticated, well... :huh:
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Not too sophisticated but wonky, unreliable, easy to bump or freeze. Hard to see in the daylight, easily damaged, susceptible to elements- shall I go on?
And modern technology switches are smart multi axis devices that coupled with status display offer a lot more than touch screen ever will. Weather sealed and mil spec reliable. They are however expensive to implement.
Whats good for apple devices does not neccesarilly work on professional equipment.
 
Jacek Zakowicz said:
Not too sophisticated but wonky, unreliable, easy to bump or freeze. Hard to see in the daylight, easily damaged, susceptible to elements- shall I go on?
And modern technology switches are smart multi axis devices that coupled with status display offer a lot more than touch screen ever will. Weather sealed and mil spec reliable. They are however expensive to implement.
Whats good for apple devices does not neccesarilly work on professional equipment.
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We will agree to disagree. Just glad that Jim and Jarred seem to like the modern approach so far. :smiley:

Honestly, I am 60 years old and , to me, the desire for hard switches, however "smart," seems like the request of an old, technophobe. Sure, a couple of volume controls or whatever might be great but to eliminate the software-based flexibility of virtual displays??? There are a lot of arguable premises put forth here on RU but, I have to be honest, the idea of eliminating virtual displays seems just plain off-base. My opinion, of course.

The problems you cite are certainly easy enough to solve without throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Bump? Harder than physical knobs sticking out? I tend to bump the buttons on my side handle way more than anything on my touch screen. How do you "bump" a button that isn't even on the screen at a given point? And, not sure how wonky your RED has been but mine has had few, if any, glitches with the touchscreen. Hard to see? Get a hood (yes, you can still reach the buttons with the right approach). Easily damaged??? A flat screen gets bumped and damaged more than knobs sticking out the side of the camera? You already need a monitor so it isn't like you are going to eliminate that from potential damage. How do you see the image on your monitor now?

Apple has nothing to do with it. It is pretty common practice throughout the digital world, professional or otherwise, to use screen-based, virtual, reprogrammable, interfaces. You seem to want to make this somewhat condescending... i.e., if you "need" a screen-based interface, you must not be a professional. Sorry, not buying it. Tell that to folks like Kessler Crane who have gone from physical switches to a completely software based system with a screenbased interface. That's just one that comes to mind off hand.

Like I said, agree to disagree... vehemently. lol
 
Terry- they haven't switched to touch screen because it's better- they switched because it's cheaper. Their marketing materials may say otherwise however. It may be a surprise to some...
 
Jacek Zakowicz said:
Terry- they haven't switched to touch screen because it's better- they switched because it's cheaper. ...
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Just hope high end manufacturers keep high quality physical buttons in addition to touch interfaces. I agree: for many products cost is driving this change.
 
D Anderson said:
Just hope high end manufacturers keep high quality physical buttons in addition to touch interfaces. I agree: for many products cost is driving this change.
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Physical buttons are pretty hard to screw up in situations with muscle memory. I still love the ALEXA control scheme for this reason.
 
Jacek Zakowicz said:
Terry- they haven't switched to touch screen because it's better- they switched because it's cheaper. Their marketing materials may say otherwise however. It may be a surprise to some...
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Or, perhaps because it fits better into a modular approach... buttons can come on modules... and be configurable in context. Meanwhile, virtual displays are infinitely upgradeable.

Glad you can speak for the motivations of Jim, Jarred and RED. My powers of omniscience are much less developed.

Physical buttons are fine.. just don't remove the power that lies in a touchscreen interface. Hell, bring on a REDmote II with a touchscreen.
 
Even Crestron learned this. They went to touchscreen only panels some time ago and then went back to add hard buttons, for certain core functions. Easy for the manufacturer to offer a lockout for the hard buttons, if desired.

Thank you very much

Fury
 
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