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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Another Remote FF thread...

Brook Willard said:
I have some hilariously cheesy video detailing their products that I'm uploading right now. I'll post it in a few minutes. It has the absolute worst talent I've ever seen. Ever. So look forward to that...
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It doesn't have the sales girl?

Finner, you'd like the C-Motion. I checked it out a Cinegear - fun! It seems even more expensive than the Preston though...

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
I remember hearing that the C-Motion was around $30,000, yikes. If Opcode comes on anytime soon, he'd know the price.

Finner, I've always found myself questioning why motors had a single-rod clamping system, any reasoning in particular?

Seems to me a double clamp would be much more solid and reduce gear slips.
 
The C-Motion is really nice.

A 3 Motor FIZ setup is around $30k and the CDisplay is another $8k so yeah, it's the most expensive setup out there as far as I know. But it's also the most advanced.
 
Alex

Single rod clamps means you can put two motors across from each other, or closer together. When you start ganging 2 or 3 motors space becomes tight

Brian
 
Brian Valente said:
Alex

Single rod clamps means you can put two motors across from each other, or closer together. When you start ganging 2 or 3 motors space becomes tight

Brian
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Doh! How could I not realize that. :clown2:
 
Brook Willard said:
I have some hilariously cheesy video detailing their products that I'm uploading right now. I'll post it in a few minutes. It has the absolute worst talent I've ever seen. Ever. So look forward to that...
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Is it that with the blonde? Or that guy? Unfortunately they've taken all videos from their new site...please Brook, hurry up, the curiosity is killing me and it's 11.00 pm here...
 
Bruce Allen said:
It doesn't have the sales girl?

Finner, you'd like the C-Motion. I checked it out a Cinegear - fun! It seems even more expensive than the Preston though...

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
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Nah, not the girl from the booth. She could've sold me anything...

kalone said:
Is it that with the blonde? Or that guy? Unfortunately they've taken all videos from their new site...please Brook, hurry up, the curiosity is killing me and it's 11.00 pm here...
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It's a blonde... I don't know if it's "the" blonde. I screwed up on my export settings, so it was all out of whack. I'm re-exporting now and it should be up within 15-20 minutes.
 
Ok, as promised, here it is. It's a ~140MB file, so I don't know how long my bandwidth will last... but we'll find out.

Curt, you should definitely check this out. Feature-wise... it's about the best system ever. Interface-wise and design-wise... it's not all there. But it's the best system I've used to date. The modularity is fantastic, but the camin and cabelage on the camera is a little over the top. I'm sure there's a more elegant solution. If you're looking for a seriously badass system to take some hints from, well... this is it.
 
Dude, that thing gives an AC soo much more sex appeal on the set, you can pretty much run the show with that C-display.

Too bad it couldn't control all the features of RED, atleast I don't think it could?
 
Brook Willard said:
Curt, you should definitely check this out. Feature-wise... it's about the best system ever. Interface-wise and design-wise... it's not all there. But it's the best system I've used to date. The modularity is fantastic, but the camin and cabelage on the camera is a little over the top. I'm sure there's a more elegant solution. If you're looking for a seriously badass system to take some hints from, well... this is it.
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I'm confused.. when I posted the "pro" version of our remote a month ago everyone complained and said it was too complicated and the simplier the better... now everyone is going gaga over the c-motion. Is a $1200 system that essentially has the same features of the c-motion a turn off? :blink:

BTW... that is some stellar acting.
 
CVB, you are a strong asset to the Red community, I hope your products do well enough to fuel you a long while.
 
Curt I am not sure everyone was complaining about your ideas for featues and options. I really believe it was just a reaction to it not having some kind of a markable disc. Features are great and focus pullers will learn how to use them to their advantage its just for many it not having a markable disc made it a no go. So I think the reaction you got was more of a "We can do without all the features just as long as it has a markable disc" kind of attitude. Thus I feel it comes down to there being some key simple features like a focus wheel with a markable disc, iris slide and zoom control system that will be viewed as key but after those are done well other bonus features will be really appreciated.
 
CVB said:
I'm confused.. when I posted the "pro" version of our remote a month ago everyone complained and said it was too complicated
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I don't think it's too complicated. But depending on the job, the simplified version we've been discussing here may make a lot more sense. I could see myself using the simpler version more often than the "pro" version.

Is a $1200 system that essentially has the same features of the c-motion a turn off? :blink:
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Essentially the same features of the c-motion for $1200? Sounds good to me, where do I send the check? Hehe. Have to admit though, the c-motion system is pretty sweet. I love the modularity and the c-finder abilities. Lots of little things there that add a nice touch like the friction setting. I think their night illumination looks pretty crappy.

I don't suppose that with your "pro" version we'll get additional RED camera control, will we? That would be pretty slick to have remote control over frame rates and ramping or other things we could asign the controls to.
 
CVB said:
I'm confused.. when I posted the "pro" version of our remote a month ago everyone complained and said it was too complicated and the simplier the better... now everyone is going gaga over the c-motion. Is a $1200 system that essentially has the same features of the c-motion a turn off? :blink:

BTW... that is some stellar acting.
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Nope, in that original thread I was very strongly suggesting you look at the C-motion. Here's my post:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=57521&postcount=92

It was pretty damn long. Sorry. Here are CMotion excerpts:

"if you look at the Arri, CMotion, Preston and even Bartech systems, they work and they are accepted by the industry. They all have big white discs"

"If Curt created an amalgam of the current industry-standard systems or just a simplified version that is responsive and easy to use and at a good price I think most people would be perfectly happy."

"And browsing Cmotion's site, I see that the focus of their marketing is on the ergonomics of the unit. They talk about ergonomics before fancy features and that's the way it should be. Things like balance, adjustable torque, exchangable marker rings, the sensitivity of the knob, the good placement of everything, even the goodness of the neck strap! This is the right attitude to take and incredibly important. Because they talk about ergonomics first, we understand that they have their priorities straight and we trust that they have spent time getting it right."

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
Well, the disk is in so no worries there - the reason I post in reduser is to get feedback and make sure things like that don't get left out. A number of my engineering decisions are based on "Does it look cool?" So bare with me when I put first renderings up as most likely its not what the final design will be. The other thing is that we're designing features into our products that may seem unnecessary now but you guys don't know what our product road map looks like.

Jeff... with the cmotion system you have to go modular because it takes time to sell your car, then the motor cycle, then sell your children into slavery. If it was affordable then they might not make it as modular as it is. That said, we will do our best to make our remotes as modular as the pricing permits. Adding several $20 lemo connectors to a design really bumps up the price of manufacturing.
As for camera functions - I think stuart already said that info was going to be available so I'm planning on being able to control all of those functions via the pro version.

Edit: Bruce, just saw your thread. I wasn't directing anything at you. I'm just asking that you guys think about everyone in the market for a remote FF, some people are going to have a Red camera and are going to be taking as many shortcuts as possible to get good images off it. If I can make something that will allow someone to take a $500 lens and make it perform to the point where a rack focus doesn't look like a zoom then is that a bad thing?

Regardless I'm going to do what you guys want.... My only goal is that the end product is inexpensive, feature rich, and makes the current players in the field get of their couch and innovate.
 
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