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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Announcing RED RAVEN

i would love to design a top handle that runs parallel with the mounted 4.7 in monitor, attached near it, but arms back past the fans so it doesnt get in the way of monitor operation. it would be great for low mode handheld as well if it was wide enough the monitor can fold down into it to be put away, or just out of the way, like for a car mount or steadicam.
make sense? i could care less about start stop, its not film. just a way practical way to move the camera from a balanced point.
 
I've read that you can achieve slightly higher compression ratios while using the larger capacity Mini Mags (512GB and 1TB). Will this be possible with Raven, or are the listed ratios limited to the bandwidth of the sensor?
 
Nathan DuMoulin said:
I've read that you can achieve slightly higher compression ratios while using the larger capacity Mini Mags (512GB and 1TB). Will this be possible with Raven, or are the listed ratios limited to the bandwidth of the sensor?
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THAT is a good question.
also i had a question about form factor, is the weapon/raven body the same size as the epic? as in can i use the exact same cage or baseplate/rods setup made for an epic? or are they going to be a little bit different?
 
Phil Holland said:
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The outrigger handle (now with an actual trigger! yay!) should have had passthrough so that you can attach the top handle with functional trigger as well...

Also, and maybe it's just this pic, but it actually looks like it can get front heavy really quickly (depending on the glass, mb, etc)... I suppose with a battery on the back it'd be more balanced, but you'd be adding weight that could've otherwise been on the belt. Without for/aft adjustability (like the old dual outtrigger) perfect out-in-front-handheld balance might not always be possible.

Oh, and does anyone know if there is a trigger on the front/index finger or just thumb? I like keeping my thumb gripping the handle as it's what makes grasping solid.
 
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RED really big a huge revolution with the RED1.

And to me, the ability to get something like the RAVEN up and minimally shooting at the pricepoint RED is now aiming at, can be as big.

The difference now is that there are workflows and stability and tools out there to play with the camera like any other.
And the prores inclusion makes it 10x as versatile and inclusive for a million workflows and scenarios.

Cannot loud enough tip my hat to Jim and Jarred for putting the finger deep in the ground and checking out the state of things.

If we can have a "basic io" with all the normal susoects (HDMI, SDI, XLR, CTRL port, Sync port and a way to power the thing), one piece of media and one reader...
And the RCP protocol is developed further and the lens compatibility base further extended.

This thing will go places noone imagined.

Thanks
 
Quick Questions:
Sorry if this has been answered. I am a bit confused with the DSMC2 base I/O V-Lock expander. Can't seem to find any photos or specific details of this item.
Does this expander allow for the use of V-mounts directly or do we need an extra plate/accesory to do this?
Also, what other types of connections (inputs/outputs) does the DSMC2 base I/O V-Lock expander offer?

Many thanks in advance.

Best,
TD Wood
 
TD Wood said:
Quick Questions:
Sorry if this has been answered. I am a bit confused with the DSMC2 base I/O V-Lock expander. Can't seem to find any photos or specific details of this item.
Does this expander allow for the use of V-mounts directly or do we need an extra plate/accesory to do this?
Also, what other types of connections (inputs/outputs) does the DSMC2 base I/O V-Lock expander offer?

Many thanks in advance.

Best,
TD Wood
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apparently they will click directly on, but its not released yet so there are no pictures but the price point is supposed to be under $2k brent said
 
Nathan DuMoulin said:
I've read that you can achieve slightly higher compression ratios while using the larger capacity Mini Mags (512GB and 1TB). Will this be possible with Raven, or are the listed ratios limited to the bandwidth of the sensor?
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Based on the Raven specs on RED.com it appears the max write rate of the Raven is 140MB/s. IIRC, the 120 & 240GB mini-mags are slower than the 512 & 1TB mini-mags, but on Raven that should not make any difference since both exceed 140MB/s.

Cheers - #19
 
Blair S. Paulsen said:
Based on the Raven specs on RED.com it appears the max write rate of the Raven is 140MB/s. IIRC, the 120 & 240GB mini-mags are slower than the 512 & 1TB mini-mags, but on Raven that should not make any difference since both exceed 140MB/s.

Cheers - #19
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Appreciate the clarification. Thanks!

EDIT. Clearly this is an imposed restriction to keep the Raven segmented from the higher end models, which is very understandable. Curious if at a later date a paid upgrade would raise the limited bitrate to maximize the available sensor bandwidth, be it through hardware or firmware. There's probably no answer to that any time soon, but it's interesting to speculate.
 
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Jarred Land said:
Epic has a path forward into the new form factor... then there will be a new sensor in a few years...
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what's going to be the difference between the Weapon and Epic DSMC2?

Is the Epic going to be the new High-Speed flagship?

...and Weapon the High-Bitrate?
 
Jeffery Anderson said:
what's going to be the difference between the Weapon and Epic DSMC2?

Is the Epic going to be the new High-Speed flagship?

...and Weapon the High-Bitrate?
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I could be mistaken, but when he said this i'm pretty sure that The Weapon is considered the Epic's path into the new form factor. I think it was more suggesting that there would be something in the middle for the Scarlet.
 
Nathan DuMoulin said:
Appreciate the clarification. Thanks! EDIT. Clearly this is an imposed restriction to keep the Raven segmented from the higher end models, which is very understandable. Curious if at a later date a paid upgrade would raise the limited bitrate to maximize the available sensor bandwidth, be it through hardware or firmware. There's probably no answer to that any time soon, but it's interesting to speculate.
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Your terminology "imposed", "segemented", makes it sound like RED is following the old Sony script of handicapping chips by choice. In the case of the Raven, I think they are actually using lower cost parts to reach a $6K price point - not disabling/down clocking/etc. I also think that the size of the sensor, and the market segment the Raven is designed for, fits nicely into a 140MB/s data rate. In fact, I'm pretty sure that would still be the fastest media burn rate in Raven's market segment.

Cheers - #19
 
Samir Patel said:
Is it February yet? Jarred give us some goodies. Any new top secret accessories you are dying to spill the beans on? Any sample footage?
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+1 I think i pester Jarred every other day about seeing behind the curtain but i think likes to keep things under wrap until everything is perfect. As he should.
 
Blair S. Paulsen said:
Your terminology "imposed", "segemented", makes it sound like RED is following the old Sony script of handicapping chips by choice. In the case of the Raven, I think they are actually using lower cost parts to reach a $6K price point - not disabling/down clocking/etc. I also think that the size of the sensor, and the market segment the Raven is designed for, fits nicely into a 140MB/s data rate. In fact, I'm pretty sure that would still be the fastest media burn rate in Raven's market segment.
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I'm a little puzzled by this response. You questioningly quoted me on my use of the term "segmenting", and then go on to say (twice) that Raven is designed to fit a "market segment". :p

All jokes aside, I'm pretty sure we're on the same page though. Market segmenting is a valid strategy to gaining market share, lowering costs, and raising revenue. And more importantly, restricting Ravens capabilities at the lower price point helps avoid pissing off Red's existing higher end customer base.

I think the main concern of your post was my use of the term "imposed restriction" though. How Red chooses to limit Raven, be it via software, hardware (as you mentioned, much more likely), or a combination of both, is ultimately up to them. I was certainly not implying any sort of negative connotation by my words. In the end, Red is the manufacturer, not us. They present the consumer with a product that has set specifications, and the consumer decides if they want to buy it.

We're horribly off track of the original question though. Raven is a great product, at a great price point. All I really wanted to know was if the lowered data rate could be upgraded at a later date, be it either by paid firmware or hardware. :)
 
Nathan DuMoulin said:
We're horribly off track of the original question though. Raven is a great product, at a great price point. All I really wanted to know was if the lowered data rate could be upgraded at a later date, be it either by paid firmware or hardware. :)
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I don't really think it's a lowered data rate. According to my calculations (which could be really off) 6K requires about double the data rate of 4K. So all things being equal, if Epic requires 200MB/s Raven should only require 100MB/s. So I'm not sure that 140MB/s is really a limitation for this sensor.

Please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm new here (1st post actually) and Raven will be my first RED camera—though we have two Epics in the office that aren't mine. :)
 
The Raven 4K sensor is the smallest resolution sensor that Red has offered, and therefore requires the least amount of processing power.
Yet it still maintains a true 4K camera.
It is the smaller sensor, and correspondingly simpler electronics that allow Red to offer this camera at more or less an entry level.
Yes, the ASIC processors have been improved over time, and yes, the Raven outperforms the Scarlet, but at a lower resolution.
Red could come up with retrofit upgrade packages for all previous cameras, including the Red One, but the cost of doing so would be close to that of a new camera.
Putting a larger sensor in the case, and/or beefing up the specs is going to require more processing power at greater expense. At that point, one might as well order a Weapon.
The scale of economics is what makes the Raven possible.
 
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