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amazing new shoulder rig

Hi,

I just want to explain a few things - this is not just a shoulder rig - this also a Qr platform for standard dovetail. So it's 2 in one.
The Qr platform is interchangeable between 15mm to 19mm on the fly - just slide of and on. Even adding 15mm LW is as simple as slide in and lock. It's one step with quick release and you're on your way. No matter what standard you want to be shooting with
The shoulder rig and the top mount solutions are quick release based as well. To go from tripod to handheld is 3 steps.
1. slide off tripod
2. snap on shoulder pad
3. slide in front handles and lock
- that's literally 10seconds.

As for our top mount solutions it's the same - slide and lock the top handle onto the rail (with safety - so it won't slide off unless you release the safety - so slide top handle around, as much as you like).
If you want rod brackets on top - slide of the handle and slide in the dovetail brackets and lock - on with the top handle on top and you have rodbrackets with top handle on top - it's that easy.
If you want monitor or EVF arm - just slide them in and position anywhere around camera. This has an integrated telescopic system so you can find the wanted distance from you camera to eye - with your EVF or monitor
As for the back - the battery plate can be placed anywhere around the camera - for best possible counter balance - close to the camera back or further out - top or bottom - your choice. Position it literally anywhere.
You can also add a back rod bracket solution if you want to have your shoulder pad behind for any reason BUT also for extending the rig even further, with rod brackets behind it.

As for handheld - you will not find any lower centre of gravity with shoulder adjustments, such as 10 degree and back and froth - for balancing. And we can say this without blinking as your camera will literally wrap around your shoulder, just under the rods - to go further than that would only have the rods cut into the shoulders - it's precision to the mm - to be at that point.

Our incentive here was to make a rig - that can go from tripod to handheld or any other configurations, just as quick as sliding the camera off the tripod. Throwing it onto your shoulder with a t-shirt underneath and grab on to the rods to shoot - We've made a rig that's equally quick and has the same steps - but with the comfort of it actually being a handheld rig. It's also endless posibilities for configurations. If you for example just want the grip handles by the rods - simply have a dovetail bracket on the rods and slide in the front handle system with grips directly attached to that in one simple step - just as simple as the rest of the rig.
BUT don't forget this is at the same time a QR platform. So there's no need for anything else in the end, not really. Especially if you get the ultimate solution as it's everything you have on your camera - Qr platform, shoulder rig, adjustable battery plates, top plate, evf mount, monitor mount, top rodbrackets, top handle and more (also the back rodbracket for shoulder and rod solutions behind the camera)
It's also the lightest rig you will find out there. This is catered for how small the EPIC cameras are. We wanted to make a rig that you can throw around in any scenario (any configuration) and at the same time squeeze yourself into for example a car with and just shoot away.
It's so small and lightweight that some of you will maybe not even want it, simply because it's not masculine enough LOL. And even though it's that small we have still managed to have QR release on IT ALL - SO THERE'S NO KIPP LEVERS or other things sticking out that can be obstructive while shooting. Lets face it. They do take a lot of space and can be more than obstructing- as some of you already say - they stick into your neck while shooting handheld. With our rig these kind of problems are now gone. We have plans for more accessories that will bring it even further into our design for form and function when it comes to shooting

How does mono pod handheld shooting on the fly sound? Grip handles with off/on etc.
We will make accessories so you can adapt and use other manufacturers equipment as well - but be aware of one thing they will look monstrous, clumsy and quality can't deliver next to this design.
When designing this. We realised we've made it so small, versatile and functional. That it can be crossed over to literally any camera platform out there - so when our "accessories" for those cameras has been made. You will be able to move the rig between any camera system that you operate from (from Epic to Alexa to DSLR's etc).

Here's a picture of one of our very early proto types - just to demonstrate the size of things. I think it speaks for itself in understanding how small and lightweight we've managed to make this rig - there's nothing else out there - this design is unique and extremely innovative. Some may like it. Others not, but you probably have to see it, to believe it. For you who want to see it - we will be at NAB in booth #C7809 in old C4 (together with Mo-Sys)

Thank you for your interest and comments

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KETCH ROSSi said:
Problem with the ALLSTAR shoulder Pad is the same... NO ADJUSTABILITY of Horizontal alignment, even so I must say that at list this has a inclination, but absolutely not in off, and definitely not good in off for me, but it is a very INEXPENSIVE solution for many.
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I'm like you Ketch... We are both lucky enough to be able to afford what ever gear we want, but you said the magic words to 90% of RED USERS....

KETCH ROSSi ....... "but it is a very INEXPENSIVE solution for many".

I'm ordering 3 of these Arri setups with longer arms... the Grand total of $ 2985... FOR 3!!! Easy Math.


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Mark Toia said:
I'm like you Ketch... We are both lucky enough to be able to afford what ever gear we want, but you said the magic words to 90% of RED USERS....

KETCH ROSSi ....... "but it is a very INEXPENSIVE solution for many".

I'm ordering 3 of these Arri setups with longer arms... the Grand total of $ 2985... FOR 3!!! Easy Math.
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As we said our rigs might not be for everybody. We have designed our rig to be as innovative, lightweight and small as possible. To make that happen, we've had to, for each single item on these rigs, design and manufacturer it ourselves . Our quick release levers etc all has to be designed and machined by us. We can not use 3'd party products as kipp levers as they are all to standards that doesn't work. Not if you want to make a design that's innovative. We wish we could, but it's simply not possible. As they don't exist. So we have decided to design everything ourselves. This allows for a rig that's simple, small, lightweight and flexible with features to such an extent that it's hard to believe. When you see it is hard to believe it's actually contains the features we showed you so far (and more is to come). It's so incredibly small, yet delivers comfort and features far beyond. Ergonomics and perfect balance has been the most important part of our design and this rig has that - no matter how you need to configure it. It will deliver. It's designed with form an function in mind - every thing is thought of - for the shooter only - and more accessories are to come - extending that experience. It's designed into perfected details, so as little as possible will be in the way. Our Qr platforms lever's are "cut" into the rod bracket - so they don't extrude or/and can be in the way - it's a simple snap to release and and equal push to lock the rods - it's not any large bulky 3'd party kipp levers - if any of this existed as 3'd party, we would gladly have used them - but they don't.This rig is designed for those who want to move quickly, swiftly and easily. There's no fiddling no waiting around to swap equipment etc. It's all there ready to go. If that's not to you're liking so be it.
As for prices - I really don't think you see the extent of the design that we've made here. I'm a RED ONE, EPIC and Scarlet owner - I've bought equipment for my Epic's to meet similar specifications as for example our Ultimate solution is (and even then it's not even close to deliver same features) and the cost combined for that is well over $8500 - so I don't think our prices are crazy. Compare our solutions that is the closest to what the clutch and/or the gunner (+ what's needed) and you'll find that it's very competetive and that our solutions actually even then offer more features. Or for example compare our top mount solution with one of the "more designed" EVF mounts that's out there and see that to very equal pricing - no one offers a top plate and both EVF and monitor arm mounts (with extensive quick release design) to the price that we are - we are competitive. We can just not compete with aluminium tubes and kipp levers - but we do compete with the designs that are more than that and we also believe that our design is far better than our competition.
I do think that people haven't really taken in account what that our solutions offers. As soon as our web store opens you can sit down and compare our prices to others and see that most parts are priced very competitive. Some simply can't be for the reasons mentioned. One we offer more than just one feature - it's everything from QR platforms to handheld to top plates with EVF mounts integrated etc. Buy all that individually and you'll see. There's more in this design than just kipp levers and pieces of aluminium. There's more thought brought into this than an aluminium plate with some holes in it. Yet we still are competitive - our top plate alone is the same price as ANY of our competition and yet it's still higher grade quality in both material and anodising, which makes it far more durable.

So hold your horses a little before you start bashing and look at what's actually trying to be done here. If it's not for you. I'm glad you found something to your liking - but we've worked hard to make something completely different - something that we believe is revolutionising and far more better in the long run - as it delivers more flexibility not only for one camera platform, but any . And we believe we've nailed it both in design , form, function, quality, durability, flexibility and prices.

I believe it was you earlier in this thread that said yourself - that you can't understand why some aluminium and foam should costs so much - well it shouldn't - but this is not just some alu and foam. We are not making the same things here - we are designing and manufacturing from ground up with only one interest in mind. A design that simply doesn't seem to be there to the highest quality and that is something completely different. We have measured our parts with others and our engineering is far more accurate than any others. Our quality is higher both in alu grade and anodising - this is something we take pride in and so we should - we want this to be something more than anything else out there. Yet our prices are very competitive.

Unfortunately we can't please everybody - as our form and function don't go well with other manufacturers already made parts - certain things has to be ours to be able to use the features we have. We will work on delivering design that will let you use other manufacturers products - but be aware of that certain things will not be possible - we can not make their products smaller for example, for obvious reasons - and ours are incredibly small and lightweight. We can not make a telescopic integration in others top plate - so our EVF mount has to be mounted on the "outside" etc. Have a look at it - and try to imagine how small and well put together this is - it's hardly even there and yet it is.

BUT we will make adaptions for people who find interest in certain parts to our design - feel free to contact us and ask what we can integrate for you.

So if this is not to you're liking, it's ok, but this is designed for one sole purpose - to make a shooters life A LOT easier, less heavier and A LOT smaller No matter what configuration or standard needed... within seconds away.
 
Hi Fredric ,
Firstly let my appoligize here... This is an open forum so you have to get used to open discussions.
But I am sorry that you think I bringing down your product. For the record I'm not.
Im sure it's worth every cent of R&D design an quality materials, You will find out over time if your product has hit the right notes for consumers, as people vote with there pockets.
Your product looks and sounds fantastic! And so does the RED clutch. I am from the old school were I shot for 15 years with 35mm cameras on my shoulder with a bit of foam under my T Shirt.. And shot great images.. So all these expensive hi tech should rigs are a bit over the top for me even though they are very practical I'm sure. . It's only my humble opinion about what I think a bit of aluminum and foam is actually worth to me. So please don't think I'm bagging your quality product.

Im more a meat and potatoes type of guy and I tend to keep my rigs and gear simple these days. I've been through the gear collection Stage of my life... Thank god!
I will look at your prototype at NAB while I'm there, it may dazzle the pants off me when I see it in the flesh.
Good luck. :))))
 
Or let it put it this way Mark

With that rig you still need a minimum of additional items to have a list that compares to our Ultimate solution

Qr dovetail platform - approx $1200
Battery mount plate - approx $700
top plate - approx $300
EVF mount - approx $1000
monitor arm noga - approx $150
2 top rod brackets - approx $700
top handle - approx $150
3 rails - approx $300

+ your rig that is $995

That's a total of $5495

(which does not include the extra back bracket to extend for rod solution and shoulder mount connection behind camera - if wanted - the top handle is quick release with angle functionality - an integrated monitor mount (it's not just a noga arm) and so on.

So I don't think our prices are crazy - especially as we are using highest engineering precision, highest grade of material and anodising made possible - that it's more to it in it's design, than just a few alu plates put together ;).

As I've said we will be at NAB have a look at it and see for yourself

Thanks!

Edit - I'm sorry Mark if it seems like an attack to you it's not - we are very proud of what we're trying to achieve and we have done our best to make it's as competitive as possible and i think people are looking at the price thinking it's a handheld rig only and then goes of the roof - but it's not - we are not calling it Ultimate for nothing LOL.

Also I wrote this before your answer above - so you know.

But I think you should look at it differently - see the pricing above and then look at our "high tech" rig as this - here's a couple of guys who have decided to design a rig that is as if we throw the camera on the t-shirt (as that was my preferred way of shooting). And they actually are not that bad in their pricing LOL

cheers
 
Fredrik Callinggard said:
Or let it put it this way Mark

With that rig you still need a minimum of additional items to have a list that compares to our Ultimate solution

Qr dovetail platform - approx $1200
Battery mount plate - approx $700
top plate - approx $300
EVF mount - approx $1000
monitor arm - approx $150
2 top rod brackets - approx $700
top handle - approx $150
3 rails - approx $300

+ your rig that is $995

That's a total of $5495

(which does not include the extra back bracket to extend for rod solution and shoulder mount connection behind camera - if wanted - the top handle is quick release with angle functionality - an integrated monitor mount (it's just a noga arm) and so on.

So I don't think our prices are crazy - especially as we are using highest engineering precision, highest grade of material and anodising made equipment - that it's more to it in it's design, than just a few alu plates put together.

As I've said we will be at NAB have a look at it and see for yourself

Thanks!

Edit - I'm sorry Mark if it seems like an attack to you it's not - we are very proud of what we're trying to achieve and we have done our best to make it's as competitive as possible and i think people are looking at the price thinking it's a handheld rig only and then goes of the roof - but it's not - we are not calling it Ultimate for nothing LOL.

Also I wrote this before your answer above - so you know.

But I think you should look at it differently - see the pricing above and then look at our "high tech" rig as this - here's a couple of guys who have decided to design a rig that is as if we throw the camera on the t-shirt (as that was my preferred way of shooting). And they actually are not that bad in their pricing LOL

cheers
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Sorry mate.. All that stuff you just spoke of his hanging off my EPIC production kits as a standard layout...
I just slide it onto this cheapo $995 dollar shoulder rig and and off I go...

Lets move on mate... Your gear is very cool! I like it :) See you at NAB... you can punch me in the face then. :)
 
Mark Toia said:
Sorry mate.. All that stuff you just spoke of his hanging off my EPIC production kits as a standard layout...
I just slide it onto this cheapo $995 dollar shoulder rig and and off I go...

Lets move on mate... Your gear is very cool! I like it :) See you at NAB... you can punch me in the face then. :)
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No worries - all that happens will be that you wish you hadn't invested in all that other gear LOL
 
Another early proto picture so you can see how we've designed everything to be a part of the gear and not added 3d party on the outside. This is our dovetail top rod bracket - you slide this on and lock onto dovetail design - so it is a dovetail lock there - the two other levers are for the rod - it's a flip to open and a push to lock - easy and hardly there - all integrated into the bracket

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Frank if I had a spare $6,000 Id be ordering now!

Youve got some actual innovative little features rather than just rejigging of standard stuff, and I Look forward to trying out the rig in vegas.
 
Hi Fredrik,

Some beautiful designs, man.

Out of curiosity, will you have any other stops in the US? Some of us won't be able to make NAB, but surely would love to see your handiwork in the flesh, so to speak. Any plan to have a prototype in the NYC area?

Cheers and congrats!

Clint
 
+1 for a New York demo at AbelCine, promoted on RedUser, you'll sell a few dozen units for sure.... and if you get Abel behind you as a re-seller sales will triple, easy.
 
Hi guys and thank you for the kind words,

We are in discussions with retailers. Also Abelcine - but they will need at least proto types to make decisions and right now we've been concentrating on NAB and to be able to start order and production right after - so that will have to happen after all of that. We of course want to be able to showcase this at other places and as soon as it's all up and running. We'll start to find ways in doing so. So don't worry. Understand that this is not about selling A LOT of units for us. So it wouldn't be because of that we would go to retailers such as Abelcine. This is a labour of love and we simply want it to be a case of - what we think is smarter ways for the new kinds of cameras that are appearing on the market - will also be exactly what people find it to be. That's our incentive for putting these out there - hoping we can change the ways. And if we are no one could be happier.
 
I really like the LCD and EVF solution, Im soo tired of broken magic arms. The top mount solution looks like it will solve all problems Im currently having with mounting the new touch LCD in a good way.
 
I think Fredrik said that they shared booth with Mo-sys, and there was rigs to play with there. That would be Booth # C7809 if Im not mistaken :)
 
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