amazing new shoulder rig

[Jason Wingrove]

Wooden Camera has a rig demo at NAB and its under $1000. Personally all I really need in a shoulder rig is how fast can I get the camera on the rig, is it light & comfortable for long run & is it well balanced & can I adjust on the fly.

i recognise that bloke

Congrats Ryan, looks great. Tho for me personally the long 'chopper bars' style doesn't work for me and be interested to see how the EVF mounts as theres no way my eyes will focus that close to the LCD (and i don't need glasses)

 

[stu aull]

Yep. Tend to agree. Simple Shoulder mounts shouldn't cost half as much as a full of technology camera. (scarlet)
People are dreaming.

I saw some rip off clutches in China for $850 bucks.. Obviously know way near as well made as Reds clutch. ... But they most certainly worked.

Nice titanium rig though. ))).

agreed. Beautiful rig, priced way out of my range as a Scarlet owner....
I'll be going the bitsa-route like a lot of folks.

If I'm lucky maybe I can pluck a few aks off it to fit into my cobbled-kit down the road.

Stu Aull
Alaska

 

[Ketch Rossi]

thanks for your comments gentlemen.
Mr Rossi, the very same design you are seeing allows for +-10 degrees from center rotary adjustment ( its also made for right or even left side operators.)
if that is not enough , and someone requires more than +/- 10 degrees it can be made for +-20 degrees or even +/-30 degrees with no additional cost
the very same shoulder pad has a front to back adjustment of +/- 23 mm from center(total 46mm)
you can also have an extra fine front to back adjustment from the QR-BASE at additional +/- 10mm (total 20mm)
Tool-less of course.
thank you very much for your interest.

That is good Constantine, great shoulder Pad design, however what I'm really wondering is if I could just adjust or adapt the Pad to my CLUTCH, mostly because I simply don't want to give away on anything different then the SUPERB design of the RED Quick Release system, I just love it too much, and have a all bunch of them and all cameras set up that way.

BTW, I really need to complement you on your WEB presentation, just absolutely great!!

oh, please do drop the mr. Rossi... I prefer Ketch...

The clutch doesn't suit everyone Ketch particularly as you say the shoulder pad, which doesn't suit my shoulder at all.

jas

For me has been especially an issue, due to have a Bullet still lodged in to my right shoulder, and so fat only the Mantis had a shoulder Pad that adjusted, but its not comparable by far to the quality of the CLUTCH, its really cheap made in comparison.

I'm not justifying the price but the Clutch may come close to 6K when adding all the stuff the Titan has. But yeah, the whole kit is out of my range for sure.

The thing with the CUTCH is that its parts are all interchangeably usable with the Epic, and I use them all the time, for this my CLUTCH is always taken apart, as I use its components by themselves a lot, so its price is more acceptable as any other rig that can only be used as a shoulder rig.

Ketch,

Have you story boarded your whole film already/finally? (Don't know how long you've been working on it. I heard you talk about it only a little while ago).

Not Storyboarded yet, as in fact I'm writing the final draft as we are Casting and doing location assignment to fit within the COMPLETELY NEW STORY, you'll love it, in fact I'm pretty sure every one will, but not to hijack this thread, I'll soon make a new post on my own...

 

[constantine Tirintzis]

Ok sorry for the Mr Rossi thing , Iam always trying to be typical in my first contact with all fellow operators , and mainly that was the reason, but Iam mostly like to talk more like Iam talking with friends. So Ketch it is from now on.

thank you for your comments and if you would like any more info at all feel free to contact me anytime.

We will update everything slowly , right now we are trying to catch up as we made some upgrade decisions to offer from the start, instead of doing this after.

I constantly try to design as much as I can, and unfortunately the day has only 24 hours.lol.

Material quality, machining quality, and anodizing quality is one of the things we are really make sure is the top, and thats why we have gone with the best in the industry .

we are also listening a lot to people, and we will also offer some solutions that are not seen yet , example is extension bones, lws adaptors, and more ideas that coming out to reality. Its a petty that Easter is at the same time with NAB and the time lines are very tide but we will demo as much as we can to start with, making sure that we have everything done for production soon after.

Me and all the guys are working really hard to offer as much as possible, and there is many other configurations and sets that can be created , serving all cameras.

this is just the start.

Considering Chinese rigs , I will say that ( and I have a big experience with the Chinese) firstly they are made of the worst possible materials that are not certified, secondly they are anodized with the lowest quality, and last, I love to see less copies and more original designs in the industry, and more respect to people who really spent time inventing rather than reverse engineering.
this is a craft and also art at the same time and it should be treated as such. its passion of a few people with great experience in film making , trying to make loving
tools and it not so much for the money.

thank you very much again.

 

[Ketch Rossi]

He he, emailed you to see the possibility to adapt your Pad to my CLUTCH...

 

[Fredrik Callinggard]

Hi,

I can see that there is some debate going on about the TITAN Lite. Just to clarify for all members in here:
- We use top knotch CNC facilities that work for aerospace industry
- We use the best possible hard anodise facility
- We use 7075 t5 certified aircraft aluminum
- We do not charge extra for this. This is all included in the competitive price compared to other products on the market.
- We are looking into making adapter parts for people who wants to use existing gear combined with ours (but when you see it for yourself, you might not want to ).

Besides of that the TITAN Lite can be seen for real at NAB. This is a rig that will move from any configuration to any camera - so its the only thing that will be needed.
Pleas stop by and see for yourself

 

[Fredrik Callinggard]

I agree Jason. There is some crafty designs in there. In an overcrowded segment I think these guys can actually bring something new to the table. I do however feel that the price bracket they are aiming for doesn't jive with the way they are rolling this out. Doesn't seem like they want the DSLR crowd, yet I feel the marketing is a bit too gimmicky. Pros want hard facts and not teasers. I hope they can show this stuff off at NAB.

Hi,

Yes we will be at NAB so you will have first hand look at this. And believe us we are to cater for DSLR market as well - but in the way it should be (even DSLR market will have a perfectly balanced and thought out rig) - we have figured out how we will make this rig work for all cameras, in all kinds of ways. We have a strategy for all of it.

 

[Peter Riis]

Well there is probably a reason for why Mr. Callingaard. Went home and designed his own Rig.

First of all i been shooting ALOT with the clutch - And it´s pretty hard to find word´s for it..... - well have can i put it - Well for me it´s lagging in some way - Handles are not holding their position.
And that´s is actually with not much weight on them (since the weight should be on your shoulder). hahahahaha That´s mean in the breaks´s in between take´s you have to fiddle around with it - instead of working and finding nice angel´s - And do what you have to do..

Then you end up with black hands because of the rubber is still not holding from the handles - You have the small knot´s on the side (14 mm wing nut). That just itching the side of your neck.. And then there is the speed (which anoyes me most). When you have to change from Stick´s / dolly to go handheld.. (and we even bought 2 for our rental shop).

I am not at all saying it´s a bad product - just that´s it´s lagging in these area´s - Which for me is key essential´s.

Well am i the only one struggling with these issue´s..

6000 usd. For me look´s like a fair price - Given the effort these guy´s have put into it - And yes i know mr. Callingaard very well - And exactly that´s why i am looking so much forward for his product..

____________________

Peter Riis
www.peterriis.com
riis@me.com

 

[Gavin Greenwalt]

Hi,

Yes we will be at NAB so you will have first hand look at this. And believe us we are to cater for DSLR market as well - but in the way it should be (even DSLR market will have a perfectly balanced and thought out rig) - we have figured out how we will make this rig work for all cameras, in all kinds of ways. We have a strategy for all of it.

I would love to try it out at NAB will you be at a booth or just roaming?

 

[Ned Wilson]

Interesting design but for the type of production I do (features / commercials) I need a simple system that goes from studio to handheld in seconds. For that reason, my rig of choice are O'Bars and a strap on shoulder pad (house of power, filmtools etc). No de-rigging or re-rigging, plus the most versatile and adaptable hand grips in the business at a fraction of Lite. I often do handheld from the hip, "machine gun" style. I screw an O'bar on the body cage and one into the MB on the opposite side to do this. None of the overly complex rigs afford me that versatility. The other aspect that the O'Bars solve are the overly long extension arms. Some love them long. I hate it as I feel I lose the direct control (which is why I'm not much of a fan of Mantis or Allstars extensions). As far as the Clutch goes, I concur with Mr. Riis, in that speed between Dolly, sticks, hand held and back again is vital in any rig.

 

[constantine Tirintzis]

Hello there Ned.
here is a quick description of how you get from shoulder to sticks and back with the Titan ( considering you are using arri plate style on your tripod)
1) you snap one cam lever and you release instantly the total front handle system
2) you twist the QUICK RELEASE LEVER and you Quick release the total of camera+QRplate+battery config+whatever else you have mounted on cam like monitor etc
3) you slide the total on your arri plate on tripod, and lock with a cam lever

reversing all the steps above and you are back on shoulder.

that cant be more than seconds away.
By O bars do you mean O grips?
if that is the case please consider this, it might be at a fraction of a cost of a Titan sure, but on one side you have a full complete shoulder mount system with ball grips, extension bones, solutions for battery, shoulder pad, QR plate, Qr base, compatible with Arri plates, and upper solutions like Top plate, evf and monitor arms, rails , and the list goes on. On the other side you have ...the O grips. So is this a fair comparison for price?

There are surely many ways people prefer to shoot, but thats a personal taste.
Some even shoot with nothing just holding the lens and the front rods, I for once use to do this daily for many years.
and that was the fastest to tripod and back...only ....that there was no shoulder mount at all.

thank you for your comments

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[ALLSTAR]

Interesting design but for the type of production I do (features / commercials) I need a simple system that goes from studio to handheld in seconds. For that reason, my rig of choice are O'Bars and a strap on shoulder pad (house of power, filmtools etc). No de-rigging or re-rigging, plus the most versatile and adaptable hand grips in the business at a fraction of Lite. I often do handheld from the hip, "machine gun" style. I screw an O'bar on the body cage and one into the MB on the opposite side to do this. None of the overly complex rigs afford me that versatility. The other aspect that the O'Bars solve are the overly long extension arms. Some love them long. I hate it as I feel I lose the direct control (which is why I'm not much of a fan of Mantis or Allstars extensions). As far as the Clutch goes, I concur with Mr. Riis, in that speed between Dolly, sticks, hand held and back again is vital in any rig.

Hi Ned,
We have a bundle without extension arms, and work with ARRI style bridge plate, easily, quickly and reasonable price:

 

[Mark Toia]

Hello Hello.... This little Bad boy will suite me to the ground! I still use all my ARRI bottom end gear...

Don't tell me! I bet its ridiculously expensive like all these other shoulder mounts out there. Man O man Aluminium and foam rubber is expensive.!

Whats the Web site to this unit...? I'm keen to look further at this one. (probably needs slightly longer arms can you get extensions for it)

Hi Ned,
We have a bundle without extension arms, and work with ARRI style bridge plate, easily, quickly and reasonable price:

 

[Andy White]

Hello Hello.... This little Bad boy will suite me to the ground! I still use all my ARRI bottom end gear...

Don't tell me! I bet its ridiculously expensive like all these other shoulder mounts out there. Man O man Aluminium and foam rubber is expensive.!

Whats the Web site to this unit...? I'm keen to look further at this one. (probably needs slightly longer arms can you get extensions for it)

http://allstar-cine.myweb.hinet.net/

 

[Mark Toia]

Ok... Now I just have to find out how to order in Chinese. ?

A few friends in Shanghai are about to get my shopping order.

I like simple gear that just works. and does not cost as much as a second hand car...

 

[Kwan Khan]

Hi Ned,
We have a bundle without extension arms, and work with ARRI style bridge plate, easily, quickly and reasonable price:

Bundle price: $750

 

[Ned Wilson]

Hello there Ned.
here is a quick description of how you get from shoulder to sticks and back with the Titan ( considering you are using arri plate style on your tripod)
1) you snap one cam lever and you release instantly the total front handle system
2) you twist the QUICK RELEASE LEVER and you Quick release the total of camera+QRplate+battery config+whatever else you have mounted on cam like monitor etc
3) you slide the total on your arri plate on tripod, and lock with a cam lever

reversing all the steps above and you are back on shoulder.

that cant be more than seconds away.
By O bars do you mean O grips?
if that is the case please consider this, it might be at a fraction of a cost of a Titan sure, but on one side you have a full complete shoulder mount system with ball grips, extension bones, solutions for battery, shoulder pad, QR plate, Qr base, compatible with Arri plates, and upper solutions like Top plate, evf and monitor arms, rails , and the list goes on. On the other side you have ...the O grips. So is this a fair comparison for price?

There are surely many ways people prefer to shoot, but thats a personal taste.
Some even shoot with nothing just holding the lens and the front rods, I for once use to do this daily for many years.
and that was the fastest to tripod and back...only ....that there was no shoulder mount at all.

thank you for your comments

.

Thanks for the heads up. Will check it out. Will anyone in NYC be carrying them. At that price, I definitely want to try it it out first.

 

[Ned Wilson]

I took a closer look at the site, Constantine, and I definitely see some brilliant ideas here. The one feature I'd like to see is the ability to off set the hand held grips either to the left or right. Not sure why many handgrip makers make their kits dead center to rods. This would be great if we held the camera in front of our faces but the reality is we put on the right or left shoulder. So if it's on my right shoulder, the grips should be biased to the left. When I use Moosebars, I add the cotton wheel extension to achieve this. Mantis just slides left or right (though I stay away from it for other reasons - namely overkill on the long arms). if it's not too late, consider this. Even the Clutch can't do this. Wooden camera based on the pictures has taken the offset into consideration.

 

[ALLSTAR]

Hi,
here is bundle page
http://allstar-cine.myweb.hinet.net/html/red_accessories/Bundle_Price.htm

You can place order in English: allstar.cine@gmail.com
All of our products are made in Taiwan, not in China or southern-eastern Asia which can have cheap prime cost and human resource.
$750 for this bundle is really reasonable.

 

[ALLSTAR]

Hi Ned,
Our products have many combinations, if you like to off set the hand held grips, you can choose this set with out extension arms:

Allstar Shoulder Pad + Allstar ARRI dovetail 10" + 19mm Handle Bar + 19mm Handle Clamp*2 + Allstar Grip*2 = $1000