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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

4K?

Hey guys, honestly first time posting to this site though i have been following it since my interest begin in the camera side of cinema nearly 4 years ago.

Jannard said:
A 4K finish from a bayer pattern sensor (what everyone does) begs for more captured resolution than 4K...
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Jim, what you have done to change the world of image capture is nothing short of incredible, but I have noticed from time to time that you provide information that is not false but less than true in some senses.

Against what is quoted above, not all companies use a bayer pattern in their sensors. Canon with their C300 and Panavision with their Genesis come to mind immediately.

I dont want to detrack from all the great things you have done and keep doing, but to make a statement about every one of your competitors that is not completely true deserves correction.
 
Might be worth noting that Jim was talking about 4K in this thread and those cameras are both HD (1920 x 1080). Name a 4K camera that is not Bayer.
 
Great points as always Jim, my only small gripe is how you're pushing sensor size. That's an issue for a LOT of great classic glass, especially at the wide end.

I think there's a market for a RED, or RED-type camera, which pushes sensor size down, not up - which has 6K *in Academy S35* - and even moreso, something that has 4K in S16. That would give a new lease of life to a lot of lovely cheap S16 glass.

Think about it will ya? Digital cameras come and go (or get upgraded if it's a RED :) ) at breakneck speed these days - but good glass is good glass forever. Help us use it. I know there are tradeoffs with photosite size, and ability of all lenses to resolve usefully at those sizes, but still...

Mike
 
I think the largest difference is based on the love to cameras. There is a motivation to push this tool further. This (obviously) doesn't work in a super-sized company with uncounted different products and a scattered "focus".

Thank you RED team.
 
I'm wondering when you'll start championing 8K as the new 4K hhehe
 
David Battistella said:
Seeing as Jarred is Canadian,

it was Walter Gretzky, the great ones dad, who told him to "skate to where the pick will be, not to where it is" a famous piece of Canadian hockey history now.

Red, as you so eloquently pointed out, has not followed the puck, as other are doing, but they are skating to where the puck will be. (But also inventing the game too)

david
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This seems to eloquently sum it up even better:

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Roger Valdes said:
Uhm, Sony's f65?
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OK - I am sure you'll correct me if I am wrong but I believe in most quarters the F65 is considered something of a "modified" Bayer pattern approach. Although the pixels are on a diagonal, I believe the "de-mosaicing" principles are the same. :-)

But the other gentleman was not talking about the F65 anyway.
 
Jim.

You're right and without you 7yrs ago I would not be in Las vages right now for nab. I am sad I did not get to say high and thank you at the red booth but I muddy say you should be Proud of what you have done thur red and the red team.
 
Down-rezzing has a much better depth of modulation, sharper picture without sharpening artifacts

Thanks to Jim and the RED team, RED users get the best images for their productions

Please keep up the great work
 
:iagree::beer:
 
I just came back from a job with my Scarlet today. What I've shot with it so far will 'never' be screened in 4K. Nevertheless, I was lucky enough to be at NAB last year, so I've seen what I'm really making with this thing. I just decided to go for the epic trade-in, so in some time I'll be shooting 5K and downressing - To a format none of my clients have seen yet!

The quality of what we're delivering today is very good, but the feeling of knowing that what I'm doing today will look even better a few years ahead. That's incredibly satisfying.
- And also incredibly important. Not just for us filmmakers personally, but for the preservation of our historical record. That deserves respect!
 
Jake Wilganowski said:
Nicely put Phil.
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Cheers Jake.

I should add this. Looking back at even just a few months ago all this negative press and coverage about 4K and UHD at this point looks fairly silly. Especially after CES and NAB (and soon E3).

4K displays dropped in price quicker than many even thought and it's we're not even half way through 2013. It's coming to theaters. It's coming to homes.

No offense to the authors of those articles, but most aren't image makers and generally far away from the industry. I understand there's a market for 1080p, 720p, and heck even SD material. But, the negative coverage really was just weird nonsense. You literally need 30 seconds in front of a 4K display to understand why people would find it appealing.

4K has been here for a while now and those who caught on early weren't insane, they were crazy about the images. Now you can see why.
 
Terry VerHaar said:
But the other gentleman was not talking about the F65 anyway.
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I was speaking of any and all cameras that do not use the same sensor debayering technology that is used in RED sensors, just to explain that contrary to the quote from Jim's original post, not all of his competitors use this form of image capture.
 
The F65 is a nice (rather large) 4K camera.

Jim

Terry VerHaar said:
OK - I am sure you'll correct me if I am wrong but I believe in most quarters the F65 is considered something of a "modified" Bayer pattern approach. Although the pixels are on a diagonal, I believe the "de-mosaicing" principles are the same. :-)

But the other gentleman was not talking about the F65 anyway.
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Burried in some other stuff, like shooting and reinventing life part x for this NAB, I just wanna dive in and say: congratulations and thanks!
 
I'd love you to give details.

Jim

Karl Janisse said:
Hey guys, honestly first time posting to this site though i have been following it since my interest begin in the camera side of cinema nearly 4 years ago.



Jim, what you have done to change the world of image capture is nothing short of incredible, but I have noticed from time to time that you provide information that is not false but less than true in some senses.

Against what is quoted above, not all companies use a bayer pattern in their sensors. Canon with their C300 and Panavision with their Genesis come to mind immediately.

I dont want to detrack from all the great things you have done and keep doing, but to make a statement about every one of your competitors that is not completely true deserves correction.
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