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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

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Coming from a different angle Jim. Do you think this will also be possible on Monstro sensored cameras like the 645? That's my dream camera right there. I know you have some Monstro samples. Is it too soon to guess if HDR will be possible?
 
Shane Betts said:
Coming from a different angle Jim. Do you think this will also be possible on Monstro sensored cameras like the 645? That's my dream camera right there. I know you have some Monstro samples. Is it too soon to guess if HDR will be possible?
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Yes... it will work with Monstro, but a bit different.

Jim
 
Fantastic! Thanks Jim. You have no idea what a subversive revolutionary you are. Keep it up!
 
And, to ask the question, as asked by others, one more time. Is #21 the same as, or different from, HDRx?
 
Astonishing Jim and RED Team!!!

I'm guessing that the sheer processing horsepower in combination with high framerates, 5K res and some magic
algorithms all have a part in HDRx.

It seems that an extra 76 frames of 5K "inter-frame" information might be used in between each 24th frame and interpolated into new data. Who knows... Doesn't matter really. What's on screen and how it feels is what counts. But the geek in me would love to know what's happening under the hood. (Of course, I don't expect you to tell us for obvious reasons).

Rock on!
 
My guess is that we won't know how the HDRx mode works until Red's legal team gets the patent application pushed along. If it's as great as Jim is indicating there is no sense in letting the cat out of the bag just yet...
 
I hope that the design and HDR technique used is being heavily patented!?! :)

This feature will be the tipping point for digital cinema. We can shoot digital with zero compromise and only gains(too many to list!). If RED do not receive a little gold statue for advancing cinema that would be one of the biggest crimes in our industry!

From the academies site:
"The Academy’s Scientific and Technical Awards honor the men, women and companies whose discoveries and innovations have contributed in significant, outstanding and lasting ways to motion pictures."

If RED don't tick those boxes then we are all shooting with the barbie cam without even knowing it! ;)

All the best,

Tom
 
A single shot. Fixed aperture. Probably same shutter speed (I guess).

How can you achieve an Hdr result?

The "easy" way could be a double or a multiple debayer of each frame. With the very early build, I'Rm used to work this way. A very soft luma key can do some magic in certain situation...

At least until build 16.

But now... I'm lost.
 
Jannard said:
We are trying to see if we can implement it in Scarlet... but no promises today.

Jim
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Trying to see if you can or if you want?
I'm sure R1 and Epic owners (and digital cinema cameras competitors) may turn a blind eye if you do the magic once again...:smile5:
 
I do hope that the detail behind the HDRx technique eventually becomes available, once suitably developed, characterised, protected etc. I don't believe you can get the best out of your equipment unless you really know how it works.
 
Corrado Silveri said:
A single shot. Fixed aperture. Probably same shutter speed (I guess).

How can you achieve an Hdr result?

The "easy" way could be a double or a multiple debayer of each frame. With the very early build, I'Rm used to work this way. A very soft luma key can do some magic in certain situation...

At least until build 16.

But now... I'm lost.
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OK, what do we know?
1. No temporal HDR is being used.
2. The MX-Sensor has two sensitivity ranges: ISO 25-250 or ISO 200-2000.
3. MX is a custom CMOS sensor, so probably each element of the array can be programmed separately.

My guess: they use a kind of spatial HDR, where pixels have different sensitivity.

HDR-Pattern.jpg
 
finally 21 is revealed...EPIC is just around the corner, I can feel it...
 
Alvise Tedesco said:
Trying to see if you can or if you want?
I'm sure R1 and Epic owners (and digital cinema cameras competitors) may turn a blind eye if you do the magic once again...:smile5:
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There is a significant difference in horsepower between Epic and Scarlet. Hopefully there is enough available to squeeze HDR in at some level for the Scarlets.

Bravo! Keep it coming.
 
David Rasberry said:
There is a significant difference in horsepower between Epic and Scarlet. Hopefully there is enough available to squeeze HDR in at some level for the Scarlets.
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I think it also has to do with taking advantage of the higher Redcode numbers in Epic. Epic can do Redcode 250. Not sure if Scarlet can.
 
Relative to 3K, Scarlet 2/3" should have similar horsepower to the Epic S35 at 5K. Similar bitrate too. If it comes down to bandwidth / pixel pushing power, it looks like Scarlet S35 will be left out. But of course, this is all pure speculation, and we have no idea how it works.
 
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