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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

13th responses here...

Häakon said:
I think we're just not understanding each other. :) My point about the RED ONE is that it can't overcrank at full res either - you have to crop to get the extra fps. Many people have been just fine with that. I believe that scarlet will offer similar functionality, even if it is limited in its scope. Therefore, you won't be spending "$25K for no ability to overcrank."
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No.

It was clearly stated at the Red event by Ted, and mentioned several times in this thread... 30 fps is the MAX that Scarlet will do. At ANY res.
 
Chris Kenny said:
$7000 doesn't buy you a camera. It buys you a module with a sensor and some processing electronics. You still need to add a control mechanism, I/O module, lens mount and recording module to have the same functionality built into the Red One body. The prices on all of that haven't been announced yet.
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Yeah but to get a scarlet almost equal to a $18000 REd one body all you would need is a scarlet recording module and a redhandle.

Brochure seems to imply a lens mount included in the prices so you can throw that off your list.

The red handle provides camera power and control panel. Redone had a control panel but had no such power option, batteries were extra.

Recording module for redone one was $500 would scarlets be considerably higher? i think not.

The scarlet i/o options are not stated but the DSMC i/o module is referred to as an ADVANCED i/o option. Scarlet brain may have a basic i/o ability.

The redone one body did not come with an evf or lcd, that was extra so goes the scarlet.

The redone one cannot shoot slow mo in 4k neither can the scarlet in 5k or 6K. No one knows yet if a 5k scarlet will be able to shoot at 3k or 2k at say 100fps.

No matter how you slice it theres no way a scarlet with a similar red one body like functionality will cost anywhere near $18000. And in scarlet you've got a new sensor, fast boot time, smaller form factor, better dynamic range, better low light performance, recode 42, etc.

The scarlet as Jim stated will not make the redone obsolete in certain recording and frame rate options but it makes early adopters valid in their fears regarding price and image quality.

Like i said if the sensor upgrade and boot time are affordable to a working person then those working person RED one owners can rest easy. And RED has embraced the working person from the beginning.
 
AntonyCASAFilms said:
No.

It was clearly stated at the Red event by Ted, and mentioned several times in this thread... 30 fps is the MAX that Scarlet will do. At ANY res.
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Please link the post, I haven't seen it. Though I admit that in 200+ pages of responses I could have easily missed it. All I have seen are a plethora of vague posts by Jim stating that Scarlet will have "limited options" compared to a RED ONE or Epic and that he is intending to post some sort of frame chart comparison tomorrow.
 
Regarding the 617 camera at 28K, will anyone be using it as a movie camera or just a still camera?

If using it for movies, how on earth will you edit it?

If using it for stills, why not buy the Seitz 617 which is already available, has 160 million pixels and sells for "only" €25,390 ??

Great for photos of panoramas, tall buildings or group photos.
 
Häakon said:
Please link the post, I haven't seen it. Though I admit that in 200+ pages of responses I could have easily missed it. All I have seen are a plethora of vague posts by Jim stating that Scarlet will have "limited options" compared to a RED ONE or Epic and that he is intending to post some sort of frame chart comparison tomorrow.
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An mp3 of the interview is at http://www.fxguide.com/modules.php?name=redcentre&pa=listen&path=redcentre-021.mp3
but it is about 30 mins long!!!
 
Now that the "pandemonium" is dying down, let me take a moment to thank everyone at RED for making this dream come true. This is the system I have always dreamed off and now that it is in the process of becoming "REAL", I can't hardly believe I will actually be able to afford it!!! Thanks again!
 
Optical flow - panacea to slow motion?

Optical flow - panacea to slow motion?

To those of you that have an experience in software optical flow technology (Apple Motion, Shake etc.):

How good are slow motions generated using this technology? I heard that one can achieve extreme slow motion that you won't notice a difference between actual high frame rate shooting. I imagine that shooting higher frame rates would make brilliant slow motion but maybe "optical flow" can make this difference unnoticeable. My experience here is low, I tried to slow down a AVCHD 1080p footage but all I get is jerky slow motion - not like what you can see on YouTube. I guess it is the AVCHD codec that is responsible for that (hard to edit). Maybe someone with better experience and success with "optical flow" can comment on this?

Maybe 30FPS and optical flow is the thing to go...
 
AntonyCASAFilms said:
No.

It was clearly stated at the Red event by Ted, and mentioned several times in this thread... 30 fps is the MAX that Scarlet will do. At ANY res.
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Hmmmm...I was at that RED event yesterday at Fox Studios (2pm session), and I don't remember Ted saying that. A quick review of the online brochure for the new products, on the RED web site, lists both 3k versions of Scarlet as "1-120fps", and both the 5k and 6k versions as "1-30fps". There has been no change to those fps figures since the specs were first published since early yesterday.

Link: http://www.red.com/epic_scarlet/

Based on the brochure info, if Ted somehow did say Scarlet was limited to 30 fps, it was a transposition or he was speaking strictly about the 5k and 6k versions being topped out at 30fps
 
Gibby said:
Hmmmm...I was at that RED event yesterday at Fox Studios (2pm session), and I don't remember Ted saying that. A quick review of the online brochure for the new products, on the RED web site, lists both 3k versions of Scarlet as "1-120fps", and both the 5k and 6k versions as "1-30fps". There has been no change to those fps figures since the specs were first published since early yesterday.

Link: http://www.red.com/epic_scarlet/

Based on the brochure info, if Ted somehow did say Scarlet was limited to 30 fps, it was a transposition or he was speaking strictly about the 5k and 6k versions being topped out at 30fps
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Scarlet S35 is limited to 30FPS, but the 2/3 still has the 120 fps "burst". Now I'd be a happy man if the S35 had the ability to do a 120 burst at 3K and be stuck at 30fps MAX for 5K and only have those two formats. Otherwise I'll be getting one S35, and one 2/3 just to over-crank.
 
Joofa said:
I have not done a comparison but have used it sparingly. Its website, and other information, is all full of praise of it. May be somebody on this forum can comment on its direct comparison with Shake.
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Ok, thanks for info, I will try twixtor demo if it can handle my AVCHD footage correctly.
 
Häakon said:
Out making a living with my RED ONE. :)As one of the earliest RED ONE owners, I'm happy as a clam over the new announcements. Scarlet, to me, does look like it can be configured better than my current RED ONE setup and at a much lower cost there is no reason to not be excited. Technology improves over time. It will be near two years that RED ONE has been out when the first of these cameras start to ship. Are you saying that you didn't expect the cameras to get meaner, sleeker, faster, and shoot higher res in that time? The RED ONE was the company's first offering; of course the next model is going to be sexier and more fine-tuned. If it wasn't, I would be seriously disappointed. These new choices are so exciting and offer the world to people in any price bracket, with the unprecedented option of being able to "climb the ladder" from the lowest product all the way to the highest by simply switching out the brain. Amazing. Now I understand how Jim can get so frustrated around here... you offer the world and people still find something to complain about!

Look, the bottom line is that the RED ONE continues to be the best digital cinema camera on the market, period. Just because a 6K Scarlet is coming doesn't mean your 4K RED ONE has no value. The Sonys and Panasonics of the world haven't even put out a competitive product to RED's first camera offering yet, letalone the new stuff coming down the pipes. For crying out loud, Panasonic just made a new 720p/1080 Varicam and is charging $40,000 for it! 720p! For $40,000, RED is offering a FULL FRAME behemoth that can shoot up to 100fps! As a R1 owner, I can slash almost $20K from that price, or pick up a scarlet and get an amazing new sensor. I could just upgrade the sensor in the body I already have and call it a night, or I can just rest easy on the knowledge that my camera is still making me money and will continue to do so for years to come, because 4K in itself is groundbreaking and no other camera makes images like this!

Seriously, please, if you're a RED ONE owner and have concerns, think twice about what you've been offered. There is no reason for any of us to be complaining about these new cameras which continue RED's commitment to pushing the digital cinema envelope.
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Well said...I 100% agree. As a longtime owner of multiple RED One cameras, and the future purchaser of multiple Epic and Scarlet cameras, I couldn't be happier with RED's new announcements. I'll keep one of my RED One cameras (RED #8), and trade the others into new Epics. I'll also take the 12% discount for not trading the one RED One, and apply that to one of the Scarlet cameras I buy. Thank you RED!
 
rockoblm said:
Scarlet S35 is limited to 30FPS, but the 2/3 still has the 120 fps "burst". Now I'd be a happy man if the S35 had the ability to do a 120 burst at 3K and be stuck at 30fps MAX for 5K and only have those two formats. Otherwise I'll be getting one S35, and one 2/3 just to over-crank.
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Which is almost exactly what I'll be doing, but probably two of the 3k for overcranking, and at least one of the S35 for 5k.
 
251799813685248 possibilitys but no overcranking for Scarlet? Get real!

251799813685248 possibilitys but no overcranking for Scarlet? Get real!

251799813685248 possibilitys but no overcranking for Scarlet? Get real!
 
R1 future... or present proof ?

R1 future... or present proof ?

6 k or more.. what do I really care.. 4k might well be quite enough... 4 k is what I purchased my red one for.

I just find it hard to realize that early adopters/believers like me were convinced to accept Red one and its massive booting time, its bulk and weight, its uncertain or complicated workflow, with respect to its promise for steady improvement... Just to see much lighter, new products come up with the instant boot up feature they needed ( a power saving/sleep mode, at least...) to make their Red one and its imaging power the camera they could really use in the field.

I fear my type of needs and feeling are too easily being portrayed by Jim himself like the poor dumb guy's, future averse feeling. I too love technological breakthroughs... I want the future prepared, sure. I appreciate the vision, the panache, the ego and the sense of grandeur...

However, I'm no camera designer, and a camera is... just a tool to me, and the distant future is not my problem here. Basic owners like me, or big guys and big studios... we all need a practical, working tool. Contempt is dangerous... However necessary it may be for red to stand alone on the cutting edge of technology, looking for future markets should not lead to forget present markets and present customers' needs. I don't want Sony or Panasonic forecasts to prove right one day.

I tought I had payed for what would be honed and refined to be simply practical one day, and would adress very basic needs. I wish half the energy necessary for the recently enabled features in Red one had been spent to that purpose (not to speak of the energy needed for the recent hype). No way any hype, new products or offers, no way 1:1 or any similar feature can compensate for the fact that basic features have been simply looked down/put aside to the benefit of brilliant, yet dispensable ones in an existing product. And to the benefit of future products I never planned to purchase. I don't really care if the red one is obsolete, or future proof, or allegedly future proof. I just want it present proof..
 
I was surprised the 3K Scarlet doesn't have a PL mount for Super-16mm lenses. Am I missing something here or would that not be possible?
 
Red one is still one of the best cameras on the market. It will be 9 months (realistically longer) before anything new comes out by red.
Current red owners can trade $17500 for an epic in 15months (probably 18-24 months) for approx $10,000 extra. If you cant make a clear and even profit of $10,000 in two years with your red then theres something wrong. Maybe you should contemplate wether you are in the right industry? At that time, you get a product worth $30 odd thousand for $10,000 more. Now there is no technology that holds its value that well... Any new technology you buy now will be outdated in two years and basically you write it off as an operating expense. I have a computer here bought two years ago for $3500. If i am lucky i can sell it for maybe $150. Current red owners have the deal of the century beyond what any other company would do and it pains me that fellow red users are actually complaining... Not only that but this system is revolutionary. This is really what redone should have been and in a sense, so its a beta model really... That Jim recognizes that is really fantastic. Lessons in the field with 4000 cameras have been learnt, theres some things that only a total redesign can achieve. There's also new technologies and ways of applying it from those lessons... Really you are getting what will be the best camera system in the world for $10,000... If you complain at that go and buy a Sony with no upgrade plan LOL
 
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