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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

RED ONE M-X Sensor Upgrade Program

CJ Roy said:
Just to clarify, I wasn't inquiring to have them knock off the difference in price for the rocket I already have. I understand the "bundled" discount, I just want to be part of the same deal and be able to purchase the sensor upgrade, with the same price as others that are receiving the bundled deal. Since I just recently got a rocket, I'd like to be able to get the sensor upgrade for the difference... which would be $4050k, instead of $5750.

If what you say is true, still works out the same if I upgrade my sensor, which I'd like to do.

And I also agree, the card is really worth having. As I'm sure the new sensor is!
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I feel for ya. Same thing happened to me after buying a $20k scanner and the reseller did a deal a few months later for half that with an imaging system bundle. As much as I hated it, it was my decision to buy it when i did. It's much like if I charged one client $2000 and then went to another client a few months later and gave him a better deal, I personally woudn't want the first client to expect me to make up the difference that the second client got. It's a tough situation either way but there's now way around it when you drop prices except to not drop prices.

Similar situation with me and the 16 GB card bundle also. I'd imagine paying me the difference 5 months later because they lowered the price would be pretty impractical, right?
 
So I don't know if this has been asked yet but what is happening to all the R1's that are traded in? Are they going to be upgraded and resold or will they be retired to be parts cameras?
 
Ben Coleman said:
So I don't know if this has been asked yet but what is happening to all the R1's that are traded in? Are they going to be upgraded and resold or will they be retired to be parts cameras?
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Some will be upgraded and resold.
Don't be surprised if in a few months there will be a "new product" in the Red store under the camera category: "Upgraded Red One" price will be around $5K-15K.
All this will speed up the death of the film.
 
CJ Roy said:
Just to clarify, I wasn't inquiring to have them knock off the difference in price for the rocket I already have. I understand the "bundled" discount, I just want to be part of the same deal and be able to purchase the sensor upgrade, with the same price as others that are receiving the bundled deal. Since I just recently got a rocket, I'd like to be able to get the sensor upgrade for the difference... which would be $4050k, instead of $5750.

If what you say is true, still works out the same if I upgrade my sensor, which I'd like to do.

And I also agree, the card is really worth having. As I'm sure the new sensor is!
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Just bought my Rocket last week. Feeling your pain.
 
I have another question.

i'm assuming more horsepower is needed to process/debayer/decode how the MX SENSOR records r3d RAW data because of the REDROCKET bundle.


What about the new sensor makes it require a new approach to the image science and a whole new SDK?

David
 
Jannard said:
We HIGHLY recommend a RED Rocket™ card to anyone posting RED footage. Those of you that have one know what I mean. Not a sales pitch... just a fact.

Jim
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problem is, Adobe is not supported via RedRocket....
 
Great news....the future is looking bright with the new technology!

Can you give specifications on frame rates for the sensor!

Thanks
Dave
 
obin said:
problem is, Adobe is not supported via RedRocket....
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CS5 better have it, or Adobe will be screwing up bad. And WTF is up with CS4??? It's like Adobe has already written it off... Already working on CS5 beta testing and no significant update or even necessary bug fixes to CS4 in months, RED plugin or otherwise.
 
David Birdy said:
Great news....the future is looking bright with the new technology!

Can you give specifications on frame rates for the sensor!
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SAME FRAME RATES AS WITH THE CURRENT RED ONE MYSTERIUM SENSOR!

Sorry to yell, but you get the same resolutions and frame rates with the new sensor.

What you do get is better DR, less noise, more sensitivity and less skew.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
CS5 better have it, or Adobe will be screwing up bad. And WTF is up with CS4??? It's like Adobe has already written it off... Already working on CS5 beta testing and no significant update or even necessary bug fixes to CS4 in months, RED plugin or otherwise.
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Jeff, I'm stunned how fast my new HP Z800 decodes R3Ds. I can stream with Iridas apps Red footage plus many layers of CC off R3Ds in RT. No over clocking needed, just out of the box.

I'm not saying that RedRocket is useless, on the contrary, there many applications for it, but for high quality 1080p playback off 4K R3Ds it is not necessary.

Plus, I don't have space for another card in this machine. So either the Nvidia SDI board goes or the RedRocket stays at home.

I'm sure that using the GPU extensively like Iridas or Assimilate do will be common among NLEs, including PremierPro. Editing off R3Ds will be a breeze.

I agree that PremierPro CS4 does not live up to my expectations.

Hans
 
I look very much forward to the M-X upgrade to my R1, going for stage 2, it seems like the only logical choise. But I am deeply concerned about post. Will support in other applications than Redcine-X be available soon?
I will have a hard time convincing all my clients to get a RED Rocker or starting doing transcoding using Redcine-X.
I hope this is beeing worked on heavily!
 
Guys,

I told you six months ago that RED ROCKET is way to go and is must have with R1 but now all of you are suddenly in panic.
 
Speaking about better or higher dinamic range of M-X sensor, - do we have exact data from RED people on this?
 
Hans von Sonntag said:
Jeff, I'm stunned how fast my new HP Z800 decodes R3Ds. I can stream with Iridas apps Red footage plus many layers of CC off R3Ds in RT. No over clocking needed, just out of the box.

I'm not saying that RedRocket is useless, on the contrary, there many applications for it, but for high quality 1080p playback off 4K R3Ds it is not necessary.

Plus, I don't have space for another card in this machine. So either the Nvidia SDI board goes or the RedRocket stays at home.

I'm sure that using the GPU extensively like Iridas or Assimilate do will be common among NLEs, including PremierPro. Editing off R3Ds will be a breeze.

I agree that PremierPro CS4 does not live up to my expectations.

Hans
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Hans are you using CS4 with the z800?
 
@ Hans

Haven't checked into what Iridas is doing for a while now. As for the HP Z800... It's OK for an off the shelf sort of workstation, my latest PC mops the floor with it, though. ;)

I would be curious how well SpeedGrade is handling a full quality 4K debayer and how fast. I've got both Mac and PC systems that can play back 2K / 1080p full quality from 4K R3Ds just fine. But I would like to see RED Rocket support in After Effects and Nuke so we can offload the debayer process from the CPUs and have it happen in real-time or faster for 4K/5K footage.

Adobe's new Mercury playback engine does make heavy use of the GPU in a system and it's looking promising. I have a hunch this is why CS4 seems abandoned, they're going to roll this right into CS5 and push for release within the next 4 to 6 months. However, current GPUs can only do so much and it's a lot to ask of any GPU, even upcoming ones.

The RED Rocket has been huge with one of my projects here, especially since the SDK supports it now. Wrote my own R3D importer for Modo and it saved a mountain of time. Some things I want to change with it and I will probably bring it to Lightwave next. I'm thinking of doing a public release at some point when I can get it to completely work the way I want it to.
 
Dylan Macleod said:
The announcement of a definitive and imminent timeline for sensor upgrade but no definitive information on the Epic-X upgrade path makes it impossible for your customers to make an informed decision.
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I think many are worried about this:

If you choose and reserve Stage Two and do not execute your purchase in 30 days from notification that your order is ready, you forfeit all future trade-in rights to your Red One.


I think I figured out a solution for those who are thinking about doing the Red One M-X upgrade, but don't want to be left short on funds when their number comes up for Epic.

Allow those who purchase the M-X upgrade some extra time to come up with the $$ when their number comes up for Epic.

This way people don't need an Epic schedule update in order to ease their mind about getting the M-X upgrade. It won't cost Red anything to allow a couple extra months to execute the purchase. And more people will be willing to take money out of their Epic fund to pay for the M-X upgrade.
 
GRRREAT NEWS! I feel like i'll be getting a new camera!!
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
@ Hans

Haven't checked into what Iridas is doing for a while now. As for the HP Z800... It's OK for an off the shelf sort of workstation, my latest PC mops the floor with it, though. ;)
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Ha, Ha. I'm sure your machine eats my shiny z800 for breakfast. But I'm not as skilled as you in IT technology. I buy what my trusty reseller proposes.

With a Nvidia 5800 I can do half debayer in RT. That leads to pristine 1080p footage. 4K RT is not possible. For that you need RedRocket. But I very rarely need 4K RGB plates.

The implementation of Red's SDK in third party programs raises some problems:

1. The SDK changed in build 20 the way colour is handled. While the blue channel improved pictures processed with the new SDK don't match with footage that has been processed with the earlier SDKs. For consistency reasons many third party vendors did not implement the new SDK in their applications yet. Which was kind of wise because:

2. Red's new sensor needs a new SDK which again incorporates a new colour science. I'm sure that it is downwardly compatible to the old sensor but again will probably process the pictures differently.

While improvement is a value by itself, I would love to have the colour handling fixed for the next 2 years. Implementing permanently new SDK costs money. Manufactures of software want to invest manpower rather in their own R&D than in making new builds with new SDKs.

I'm sure that Adobe, Quantel, Autodesk, Iridas, Assimilate, Avid, etc... will take advantage of the upcoming SDK. Then I will have a look into the capabilities of the RedRocket. Personally we don't use Red's tools in our workflow. This might change in the future, or not.

Hans
 
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