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RED Rocket

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Mark L. Pederson said:
Very easy to extend the PCIe bus. JMR does this. You can extend the PCIe bus so that cards are actually installed into an external chassis.
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Mark, we work very closely with JMR. This is however useless if the RED ROCKET require x16 lane. The space is really not an issue - the available speeds are. You can't extend x16 lane externally and connect two x16 cards to it and expect full 2x x16 performance...

:D Peter
 
Jochen Schmidt-Hambrock said:
Has anyone actually worked with extenders?
I´m coming from the music side. We have used extension boxes since the 90ies, but they were often making systems quite unstable.

Jochen
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We are developing number of products based on PCIe extension. We have tested number of products out there, but have opted instead to develop our own.

A good real-world external PCIe example (that many don't know about) is the BlackMagic Design's Multibridge products that are based on external implementation of the PCIe bus.

Extending a PCIe lane for purpose of sharing it between multiple PCIe devices has mixed results and the working solutions for now are extremely expensive and don't (and can't) solve the issue of total throughput limitation.

:) Peter
 
When we say real-time processing, does it include all the output formats? It takes longer to output image sequences than quicktime videos currently. Just wondering if it's real-time EVERYTHING. I still don't know how you guys are making all this possible for that price.

Cheers!
 
Dual Tylersburg is shit... got one on my desk.
72 lanes of PCIe...

What rock are you guys hiding under? :)
 
Peter Majtan said:
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B. The RED ROCKET will work in x4, so we can use the (usually free) Slot 3 and everyone is happy. Now x4 slot provides 1000 MB/s (each x1 is 250 MB/s in PCIe architecture), lets see if this could be enough for RED ROCKET...
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You seem to be a couple of years behind the standard here, PCIe 2.0 will give you 500MB/s per lane, full duplex. That is faster than both SATA and CF, so it ought to be able to handle the raw datastream.
 
Jannard said:
RED Rocket.

R3D Decode, debayer and playback high quality REALTIME 4k at 30fps (or 5K at 25fps).

Will accelerate FCP, Premiere, After Effects, RED Alert!, REDCINE, REDrushes or any application using the REDCODE SDK.

PCI-Express, Output interfaces will include Quad-DVI and Quad-HD-SDI. Works with Mac, PC and Linux.

Under $5k.
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that kick's ass. plain and simple. Red Ray. Epic. RPP's. Cant wait to shoot
and exhibit features with all this cool stuff!
 
Hello,

This is fantastic news on the card. My editor and I were thinking that it would be in the best interest of RED (or a third party) to develop such a card.

I am hoping for a release of FC3 in the next few months that will support this new card and allow us to drag and drop 4k footage directly into the time line without any additional steps.

I do have two quick questions;

1. Will it accelerate the transcoding of RED footage to other formats? It would be great if it could assist in dumping the final 4k edit out to other formats quickly. We are using 8 core 2008 Mac Pros but any additional speed bump would be fantastic. Especially if FC3 via Compressor would take advantage of it.

2. Will it include support for other codecs like the Kona or Blackmagic boards do? An cool bonus, but obviously not the primary use of the card. Just curious!

If these questions can't be answered now, no problem! We're just terribly looking forward to the accelerator (can it be called that? Transwarp III? If you get that I am impressed..).

Best!

ATF

P.S. Congrats on the wedding, Jim!
 
Peter Majtan said:
We are developing number of products based on PCIe extension. We have tested number of products out there, but have opted instead to develop our own.

A good real-world external PCIe example (that many don't know about) is the BlackMagic Design's Multibridge products that are based on external implementation of the PCIe bus.

Extending a PCIe lane for purpose of sharing it between multiple PCIe devices has mixed results and the working solutions for now are extremely expensive and don't (and can't) solve the issue of total throughput limitation.

:) Peter
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Thank you for your posts Peter! If you don't mind, I would love to ask a few questions. I would really appreciate you shedding some light on these.

I suppose today's MoBos with multiple x16 slots a box that retained full x16 speed to deal with double wide cards should be all we need. One slot for RRocket, one for a Kona, possibly one for an internal RAID, and two for overclocked 295's! :D Or just one 275 clocked to match a 285 if the wife realizes what I am doing. :)

Does that sound like a good approximation Peter?

And will we need a Kona to output the graded signal to a production monitor? I suppose Red Rocket could output the unprocessed signal... but might it also work as out output card from the NLE/grader?
 
Is there existing boards out in the market that have more than 3 16x PCI-E slots?
 
oldphart said:
You seem to be a couple of years behind the standard here, PCIe 2.0 will give you 500MB/s per lane, full duplex. That is faster than both SATA and CF, so it ought to be able to handle the raw datastream.
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That is providing the cards You are using are v.2.0 as well. Most current storage cards are not. Also keep in mind that RAW is one thing, but the card must be able to handle and process the uncompressed data as well, which can easily excess the theoretical 2GB/s of a 2.0 x4 slot when dealing with 5K & 6K images...

:) Peter
 
Roberto Lequeux said:
Thank you for your posts Peter! If you don't mind, I would love to ask a few questions. I would really appreciate you shedding some light on these.

I suppose today's MoBos with multiple x16 slots a box that retained full x16 speed to deal with double wide cards should be all we need. One slot for RRocket, one for a Kona, possibly one for an internal RAID, and two for overclocked 295's! :D Or just one 275 clocked to match a 285 if the wife realizes what I am doing. :)

Does that sound like a good approximation Peter?

And will we need a Kona to output the graded signal to a production monitor? I suppose Red Rocket could output the unprocessed signal... but might it also work as out output card from the NLE/grader?
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The question remains whether AJA or BMD will be able to downscale the 5K and/or 6K signals. I think that the whole point of the RED ROCKET to have 4x DVI and 4x HD-SDI is to be able to monitor the footage directly from the card, while providing internal acceleration for the R3D decoding. There would have to be some kind of down-sampling to HD by the RED ROCKET that can be passed onto AJA/BMD cards for further conversion and monitoring. The "quad-port" standard is still not being adopted by the I/O manufacturers....

:) Peter
 
Thanks for taking the time to answer Peter!

One thing was was already confirmed by the Red team is that Red Rocket will in fact handle real time downconversion to popular flavors such as 2k and 1080. :thumbsup: So I am wondering if we would feed the processed signal back to the card for it to out-put it, which sounds like a major no-no... So I am wondering if something like a Kona/BMD would then come into play (and be necessary) to spit out the signal to the monitor?

If so we'd be looking at 4 x16 slots for Rocket, Kona, GPU and RAID. Correct?
 
Both AJA and BMD for now use only x4 lanes...
Vast majority of both Fiber and SAS storage controllers require x8 lane...
All pro-graphics require the 2.0 x16 lane to run at max power...
That leaves the RED ROCKET...

But of course - with 4x x16 lanes You should be just fine, little overkill, but fine...

:) Peter
 
I am looking at the cost of the Motherboards and the price difference seems like peanuts when you are considering 3k and 5k cards. So I am thinking about getting something with multiple 16x and calling it a day, unless some of the cards won't plug into x16s but I guess they are all good to go.

To use with an internal $800 Areca you would need a PCI express so maybe one of the EVGAs with a little cutting down of the NB cooler to fit or can x16's work as PCIexpress?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816151033
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188048

You might even fit a SLI GPU with this port layout.

But I bet there are other internal RAIDS that will do and make things much more simple.
 
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