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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

RED party reel powered by RED RAY

What do you guys have planned for an interactive layer for RED RAY? I vote you chat with the Microsoft guys about HDi since HD-DVD isn't using it anymore and it's a superior interactive layer to Sony's BDj. Alternately Flash/AS3 would make for a great interactive layer as well.
 
Jeremy Neish said:
What do you guys have planned for an interactive layer for RED RAY? I vote you chat with the Microsoft guys about HDi since HD-DVD isn't using it anymore and it's a superior interactive layer to Sony's BDj. Alternately Flash/AS3 would make for a great interactive layer as well.
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I think they can probably muster up their own interactive layers, don't you? ;)
 
Well this is pretty amazing. I thought R1 was amazing until the Red Primes came along; but this....

I have some experience of the politics in the cinema distribution business - this is going to make some vested interests very nervous indeed. Watch your backs guys!
 
Tom said:
what is the average size of an NTSC DVD movie file? Like 7GB? I know a lot of 1080p bluray H264 rips now are about 7GBs. that right there shows serious progress.
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About 12 megabits. That's a quarter of the spatial resolution, on top of a 2 bit increase in color depth over bluray. That's just frightening.
 
Graeme Nattress said:
10bit going to the projector, yes.

...magic pixies. This time we worked them hard, and they seem to have come up with the goods again.

Graeme
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Well give those pixies a rest. I am sure they'll top this again pretty soon. I don't doubt it.
 
Hello everybody!

As a total newbie here and -admittingly- an amateur (I have a B.A. in Audio Recording Arts, though), I'd like to say hello to everybody. I feel like being in a candy-store in this forum, the candy being all your knowledge that you share so willingly.

About this new Codec: I certainly would like to see footage as well, living in a timezone nine hours away from LasVegas, but not because I doubt that it is possible but because of curiosity. And I know there will be proof. Let the guys from Red just do it, when they are ready. I'm looking forward to it and in the meantime go over my 5 year plan how to finance a Scarlet S35... I know, sounds pathetic, but what can you do as a student :D

So have a great day you all! Greetings from Frankonia, the area with the most breweries per square kilometre in the whole world! (At least something!)

Felix
 
ronx said:
I think they can probably muster up their own interactive layers, don't you? ;)
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Yes, I'm sure they could, but to do so would require developers to learn yet another standard. However if they go with an established standard, they will immediately have developers ready to rock their new format.
 
Just to make certain that I understand at least one implication of this: Does this mean that, for $1 000, I can compress Scarlet footage with RedRay, post it on my web site along with a download link to the decoder ring portion of the RedRay codec and anyone (whose machine meets playback specs) can view my compressed footage . . . or not?
 
Curtis Stanton said:
Just to make certain that I understand at least one implication of this: Does this mean that, for $1 000, I can compress Scarlet footage with RedRay, post it on my web site along with a download link to the decoder ring portion of the RedRay codec and anyone (whose machine meets playback specs) can view my compressed footage . . . or not?
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The less than $1000 box is a playback machine. Encoding is a different topic that will be covered when we are prepared to give more details.

All we did last night is show the 1st "lightening in a jar" REDray footage.

Jim
 
J Davis said:
Hang on a minute. I thought the Red Ray was a projector and thats why it was called 'ray' as in beam of light.
Am I wrong? Is it a player only?
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You guys are such kidders...

Jim
 
Jannard said:
You guys are such kidders...

Jim
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I wasn't kidding.
Its just that I don't know that much about projectors or their cost and I thought it was an all in one, player, projector, hard-drive.

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Also I was hesitant to assume the 'RAY' in your brand is a deliberate play against 'BLU RAY'
 
Erik Ponti said:
Yes, but just watching it like that doesn't allow you to carefully examine it. That is, seeing if it really is fit for distribution.

"Looking at it critically" is not good enough. It needs to be compared to the source, on a computer. They were probably looking for standard DCT compression artifacts -- which you would not see, since wavelet compression artifacts are different. Especially since (presumably) at the time they didn't know it was wavelet compression, just that it was compressed. If I'm wrong, then feel free to enlighten me, but AFAIK they didn't know how it was compressed.

I think since you [seem to be] are planning to pitch it as a product, it's imperative that you provide screencaps that can be used to really see how good it is. Preferably with a lossless version of the source (short) video, so it can be compared to other solutions.

If you don't provide screencaps that people can study for any reason other than "we don't consider it completely ready yet", then for me that means it doesn't compare.
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With all due respect Erik, this is what gets people in our industry in trouble sometimes. We want to get so technical, that we miss the point sometimes. You have to ask yourself this question - how many people are going to sit at home and compare still images of uncompressed vs. Red Ray? I'm talking about consumers of content, not the people who make it. My guess - none. They are going to say they either liked or disliked the demo reel, the movie, the music video, whatever it is they are watching. They are not going to talk about compression. What I saw last night not a single consumer anywhere would complain about the image quality they were seeing, even at 4K where detail is so apparent.

I know it's easy to geek out on this stuff, but to me the bottom line is, what I saw of Red Ray held up very nicely on the big screen and would absolutely hold up on large TV screens. At that data rate, it's incredible. At data rates significantly higher it would still be incredible.

Let's give RED a chance to roll this out when it's ready and then you will have the opportunity to see it firsthand. I can vouch for the fact that they did not put in "easy" footage in the demo reels. Lots of motion, vibrant color. It was a great demo I thought. There were some issues with the screen. In retrospect, I would look at the screen choice more carefully. But it didn't affect my overall impression of Red Ray footage. It was pure brilliance.
 
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