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5K Epic

Thanks Pablano. 40K for Epic seems to have been confirmed by different sources as well. It makes sense with people saying it isn't a Red one replacement but a different camera.
 
Morning,

As a pessimist I think it will be apparent when we see who shows up at the scene first to solve all of our new problems...Offering a suite to serve each layer of the K-Ache 3k, 4k, 5k, that would be telling, who the bedfellows were who concocked a new set of problems that didnt exist just to have something to offer up as the ultimate solution, kind of like setting up a paddle shop by the side of shit creek, pretty Lukarative concept. I wonder who that could possibly be ???

on the other hand,

As an optimist we must remember these guys are not in it strictly for the cash they are passionate adventurers so excited about their journey that they insite the next range of challenges themselves, setting standards and benchmarks for others to follow or eat dust...Soon the sdk will be realeased and legions of worker ants around the globe will pounce upon the secret sauce.

IOW the shit will sort itself out on its own...These guys are not baby sitters or housewives they are pioneers and buckeneers chomping at the bit to get on to the next plateu to boldly go where no man has gone before...You know the words...AAAAHHH AHHHHH AHHHH AHHHH AHHHH AHAHHH.

Seriously while the stuff is getting sorted out on RED workflow wise DRwise, NRwise etc etc etc, they will be staking out new territory and pushing the envelope of new frontiers...Paveing the way I believe its called.

Also as 4k becomes common place dont you think all those lawyers who work for the conglomorants will be drafting new barriers to bar certain players from access? JJ is making sure that for once the house doesnt win it all, we will win because we will be ten steps ahead and beat them at their own game, lets keep our heads cool and remember how the game is played if indeed it is to be won.

Thinking outside the box means first taking a step back and being able to see outside the box all at once...kind of like what 5k does next to 4k.

DogDay.
 
Just saw this still in another thread:
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Yes, full size BNC's and new Dial controller, RIP Joystick...

I'd still prefer the controller on the operator side at the front. Or maybe both places like on a DSLR where you have the main dials on both the main body and the portrait grip.
It's awkward to have to reach onto the back when you are operating and want to change WB, or shutterspeed. (I have gotten a few crazy looks from people when I do it with the Red one. Left arm behind my head, dialing blindly)
Please make it a mission to make it more ergonomic for the operator to control. :-)
 
Well i think.. if Red one is 17500 dollars.. hum... thats 4375 dollars per K therefore Epic would be 21875 in a perfect world. but something tells me it wont be that simple :)
 
If it really is 40k, then it would be hard for me to decide on Epic or an extra Red for 3D for same total price.. 5K is cool.. but 3D is the real future i think. I saw U23D .. was amazing,. everything looks so dated and flat after you come out of that theatre..
 
cinemano said:
If it really is 40k, then it would be hard for me to decide on Epic or an extra Red for 3D for same total price.. 5K is cool.. but 3D is the real future i think. I saw U23D .. was amazing,. everything looks so dated and flat after you come out of that theatre..
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Although that movie would have been much better with more resolution and less DOF.
 
It certainly is very nice to have all these options. I really like that leaner, lighter body. I'm sure I'll want one when it becomes available, regardless of the higher price tag.
 
i feel similar disappointment about the new announcements, but i think those feelings are pretty irrational.

first off, if EPIC is $40k and we'll assume it has superior res, DN, NR, whatever else... then compare that to the F23 or the Dalsa. i mean shit! It's a steal! just because you or I can't pay for it out of our pocket doesnt mean this isn;t an amazing price point in line with their other products.

And as far as osbsolesence, everyone knew at some point there we would hit a wall in the hardware. Eventually there WOULD be a new camera. Red allowing you to trade in ur camera means ur out nothing!

Now I wont be upgrading because i was originally in the market for an HVX200 when I first heard about RED ONE, and RED ONE does everything i want and more. But if ur in the market for a $40k camera, GREAT! Buy a RED ONE and get a camera easily worth $40k, then trade it in for EPIC and get a camera easily worth $100k.

I'm with you that i wish our $17k little friend was the end all be all forever, but we all knew this wouldn't be the case.

for all of us who won't be even close to the market for EPIC... we should be thrilled with the camera RED has offered us. For all the big boys used to paying Sony prices... here's more for less!

as long as RED continues to support and improve each of it's products, everyone's happy! :)
 
Brandon said:
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as long as RED continues to support and improve each of it's products, everyone's happy! :)
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Except maybe Sony, Dalsa....:)

But I think you nailed it Brandon, there is only so far you can go before the hardware has to change. Epic in the RED colours is going to be niiiiiice piece of equipment. And having the FULL credit trade in is a real Kudos move in keeping faith with RED customers while introducing a new body. Has this been done by any other Camera company??? I can't think of a presidence.

Looking forward to the BIG Recon post that's gotta be just around the corner.
 
I want to know why Epic only has 2 XLR, unlike RED ONE with 4. Does that mean only 2 channels of audio on Epic? If so, why?
 
Sony, panasonic, arri, dalsa, The big boys: And then someone comes along who rocks the boat ... Sometimes the behind the scenes politics of how decisions actually get made and why never ever see the light of day...Sometimes they do...Sometimes these decisions are stricktly business and not personal at all and sometimes they are just that...personal...How does it suddenly go from 4k to 5k ? How? I think this clears up alot of speculation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuT12_bPla8
 
Stephen Williams said:
Hi,

Sales of Red One have been rather slow recently, therefore it's hardly surprising that a new wonder product is launched. Remember Red is revolutionary.

Stephen
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a) Is that pure speculation of yours or do you have any fact backinh up that statement?

b) red has outsold the former market leader, arri, by far. i think it can be safely estimated that reds monthly S35mm camera output is higher than arris yearly output.

c) red is swamped in a backlog of orders. the cameras are sold out for months.

d) its several "wonder" products. i would however rather use "disruptive" to reflect waht they do to the the competition.

If you prefer to use Viper and use 2/3 & S16 DOF, thats perfectly fine. We use HDCAM besides RED as well. However, the scarlet, the epic, the redray and the primeset will all probably be bought here, and i think the scarlet will eat *a lot* of the 2/3 HD market of HDCAM 750/790/900/F23/VIPER. At that pricepoint, it will probably outsell Sony and Thomson.
 
Brandon said:
for all of us who won't be even close to the market for EPIC... we should be thrilled with the camera RED has offered us. For all the big boys used to paying Sony prices... here's more for less!

as long as RED continues to support and improve each of it's products, everyone's happy! :)
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We invested in HDCAM gear worth over 300.000. Earneing that back took several years. The red prices make the usual 2-4 year return on Invest much easier.
 
hmm.. i think if u23d had less DOF the amazing shots of the public would have been blurry.. wouldnt work on a concert film.. 3d would only serve for foregrounds with less DOF, which would be a shame. It was spectacular to see all these people dancing in harmony all in focus in the background :)
 
No one seems to be speculating on whether Epic has rolling shutter or global, presumably everyone is assuming it has a rolling shutter. IMHO this is a huge issue for many potential buyers/users of this camera. global shutter would certainly justify the suggested price hike.
 
I've obviously been looking in all the wrong places! I've waded through loads of posts, and done searches. What is known ?
 
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