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Jim Deserves Better

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Somehow... I read on CML and other idiotic forums, that I an a hypester, a scam artist. I just have to wonder what these guys are smoking.
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Having retired from one profession and having had experience in fine art zone system large format photography I decided to become a DP. This would not have been possible without the RED ONE. It seems everyone (armed with RED equipment) can challenge the old established Cinematographers and often turn out better work. They are just lashing out. Quite predictable, quite pathetic.
 
Elsie your time might be employed more profitably were you to concentrate all your efforts on performing anatomically impossible acts of perversion in solitary contemplation of your miserable existence on reduser instead of burdening others with your feckless inferiority and supercilious remonstrations.
 
David Mullen ASC said:
Forums like CML and Cinematography.Com are made up of individuals with individual opinions, there is no organizing principle to promote a single viewpoint, no board that sets policy on issues. You can't force individual members to say good or bad things if they don't want to, nor can you blame the whole forum for the comments of a few, anymore than you should blame RedUser for some of the whacky opinions posted here.

Second, we all need to cut each other some slack for things we might have said in 2006, opinions do evolve over time!

That said, I think Jim Jannard will be regarded in cinema camera history like Mitchell, Arnold & Richter, Gottschalk, Fred Waller, Michael Todd, Jean-Pierre Beulieu, etc. -- visionaries who moved cinematography forward in new directions.

Jim was right more often than he was wrong, he saw the direction of that digital cinematography should be taking -- something that was "in the wind" in the mid-2000's -- that we should be capturing digital cinema with 35mm single-sensor cameras shooting 4K raw, and it should be affordable and practical to use. The baby steps that the manufacturing industry was taking were infuriating, beholden to 1990's HD camcorder and tape technology, and Jim wanted the future that we all saw coming, but he wanted it now, not in ten years, and not costing $200,000 per camera just to buy into that future. And he had the money and the will to make his vision a reality and we are all better off for it. He's changed the lives of thousands of filmmakers and altered the industry as a whole, which is much more than most of us will ever accomplish.

When the Red One first arrived, what were the alternatives? Tape-based HD cameras that were five times the cost, some 35mm single-sensor but many 2/3" 3-sensor. We had cameras that pointed in a similar direction as Red -- Dalsa Origin and Arri D20 -- but they were really prototypes testing certain principles, they had a number of limitations because of the raw data bottleneck at the time, and they weren't made in volume and priced to sell. We also had prosumer HD cameras shifting away to file-based recording, led by Panasonic, but the P2 technology wasn't going to handle 4K data; otherwise, everyone was relying on HDCAM-SR tape decks to make recording practical, and that was limited to 1080P. Making 4K raw recording practical for the average filmmaker on a budget was the wall that Red burst through like a tank in battle and the industry should be grateful.
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Here, here! Well said.
 
Thank you David for a fair view of Jim's contribution. I share your thoughts and look forward to continuing to make images with sincerity and modesty.

David Mullen ASC said:
Forums like CML and Cinematography.Com are made up of individuals with individual opinions, there is no organizing principle to promote a single viewpoint, no board that sets policy on issues. You can't force individual members to say good or bad things if they don't want to, nor can you blame the whole forum for the comments of a few, anymore than you should blame RedUser for some of the whacky opinions posted here.

Second, we all need to cut each other some slack for things we might have said in 2006, opinions do evolve over time!

That said, I think Jim Jannard will be regarded in cinema camera history like Mitchell, Arnold & Richter, Gottschalk, Fred Waller, Michael Todd, Jean-Pierre Beulieu, etc. -- visionaries who moved cinematography forward in new directions.

Jim was right more often than he was wrong, he saw the direction of that digital cinematography should be taking -- something that was "in the wind" in the mid-2000's -- that we should be capturing digital cinema with 35mm single-sensor cameras shooting 4K raw, and it should be affordable and practical to use. The baby steps that the manufacturing industry was taking were infuriating, beholden to 1990's HD camcorder and tape technology, and Jim wanted the future that we all saw coming, but he wanted it now, not in ten years, and not costing $200,000 per camera just to buy into that future. And he had the money and the will to make his vision a reality and we are all better off for it. He's changed the lives of thousands of filmmakers and altered the industry as a whole, which is much more than most of us will ever accomplish.

When the Red One first arrived, what were the alternatives? Tape-based HD cameras that were five times the cost, some 35mm single-sensor but many 2/3" 3-sensor. We had cameras that pointed in a similar direction as Red -- Dalsa Origin and Arri D20 -- but they were really prototypes testing certain principles, they had a number of limitations because of the raw data bottleneck at the time, and they weren't made in volume and priced to sell. We also had prosumer HD cameras shifting away to file-based recording, led by Panasonic, but the P2 technology wasn't going to handle 4K data; otherwise, everyone was relying on HDCAM-SR tape decks to make recording practical, and that was limited to 1080P. Making 4K raw recording practical for the average filmmaker on a budget was the wall that Red burst through like a tank in battle and the industry should be grateful.
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Tony Harris said:
Elsie your time might be employed more profitably were you to concentrate all your efforts on performing anatomically impossible acts of perversion in solitary contemplation of your miserable existence on reduser instead of burdening others with your feckless inferiority and supercilious remonstrations.
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did you just tell me to go Phuc myself? '-)
 
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"I completely disagree with the view that “the main motivator for entrepreneurs is the chance of making big money”. If you get into entrepreneurship driven by profit, you are a lot more likely to fail. The entrepreneurs who succeed usually want to make a difference to people’s lives, not just their own bank balances. The desire to change things for the better is the motivation for taking risks and pursuing seemingly impossible business ideas. [/FONT]Although there is healthy debate over entrepreneurial motives, (almost) everybody agrees it is a concept that should be encouraged and celebrated."

Richard Branson
 
Ed David said:
Agreed - but why single out two respectful DPs in your final post? That wasn't very nice :)
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Did it occur to you that these guys weren't randomly chosen by Jim? LOL

And that he may have reasons to do so that you aren't aware of?
 
Heck I'm not saying a billionaire can't be a scam artist. I'm sure there must be a few somewhere. What I'm saying is how can someone speak to another person of power like that? Without any proof that they are scammers. Listen I give accomplished people more respect... because it doesn't take much to just breathe in life and say you are living. I respect a fighter that came from nothing and built a thriving super successful business. Everyone else just breathing... shouldn't have a free foul mouth to spew their evil to everyone else... largely out of envy.
 
This month Mountain Bike Action magazine listed Jim as one of the 20 innovators of the mountain bike industry (for Oakley), so he's got that going for him.
Ken Robings
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P.S. At that first NAB (under that small red tent, in the middle of the floor, in the South Hall, ie bad location) I went to go shake Jim's hand and give him my b'card, and wish him good luck, I have met him since, and he was just as gracious as he was then.
 
Dr. Sassi said:
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He did for Cinema-Cameras, what others did by introducing desktop publishing. It is not the same world for me anymore: Thank you.

... and thanks Terry for being who you are.
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I don't want to derail tis thread any more than it already has been but, a very humble "thanks" for your compliment. I'll admit to be quite embarrassed but couldn't let it go without thanking you.
 
Oakley was an amazing company; they "owned" the sports eyeglass industry - and then some. And, I believe, if Jim hangs in just a little longer, they will finally "own" the cinema camera industry even more solidly before it's over.
 
geoffboyle said:
I have never, repeat never, described JJ as a scam artist.
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Reading the Dragon thread over at CML, I think Jim was referring to a specific post by Mr. Art Adams (in which - quoting liberally - Mr. Adams says Jim is a scam artist marketing cold-blooded genius).

I'm not drawing any conclusions, just pointing in the right direction (hopefully).
 
Before leaving my comment, I would like to apologize with the two DPs that Mr. Jannard mentioned in his goodbye message, because ( maybe because I'm from Italy) I never heard of them in my entire life.

I apologize with them because I have this kind of "unreal feeling" of people that runs a forum, and so why an inventor, a visionary, one of the most important person (for his achievements in technology that we all use and we are happy to use) make these people names in his message?

Mr. Jannard, I know you are a great communicator, but don't get caught by the internet hype, by people that hosts forums (yes, even the CML one, at the end of the game, is an internet forum).

You want to go Mr. Jannard? You deserve to live in happiness, for all the happiness you gave us with your inventions, and who is talking to you is a person that, in this moment of his life, had the luck to buy a $4k Red One BT. A marvelous, incredible camera, for almost nothing.

You deserve to retire and live happy, but I can't stand the fact that you, Mr. Jannard, can lose the pleasure to write here because of two DP's and some internet naysayers,

So: let the Storaro talk. Let Robert Richardson, Claudio Miranda, Rodrigo Prieto, Lubetski, Scorsese, Soderberg, Peter Jackson, and many others, talk.

You can't rely on a forum and some (surely good) DPs, simply because their are not in your league.

They can talk, have their legit POV, they can tell Red is the worst camera ever made by men, as other people can say Red is the best thing on earth, but both these people still are not in your league.

Please be always full aware, even if you are a man of big temper and bg heart, that you can talk seriously only with Movie Industry Leaders, no matters who is nice or who is not in forums, even in this one.

You will stay in Movie History, where great directors, great DPs etcetera will be remembered for their achievements.

Don't let common people bringing down your enthusiasm, you don't belong in Mediocreland.

With my respect.


Jean
 
Thanks for all your hard work and dedication Jim.

5 years ago I was out of money, had no direction, no job and no one would seem to hire me. I joined the military then broke my hip and ended up in the same place. I followed RED the entire time working part time jobs and working my way into being a cinematographer and an editor. I saved every dollar I could and got a Scarlet. You made that possible for people like me. Now I own an Epic.

You have given me and my family a way to make a living. I'm sure this has happened for others as well. I'm not saying it's just RED that made these things happen. But you provided a door. I emptied my pockets on my first RED and I wouldn't turn back now. I saw a chance to learn, and better myself. Thank you for jump starting something amazing. Opening so many eyes and giving us a tool that we can use to be creative, make a living, pursue our passions and learn until our brains explode.

Best of luck to you on your future endeavors!
 
I agree that a lot of the dissenting opinions stem from the price point of Red cameras.

The Black Magic 4k camera is a great example of a perfectly capable digital cinema camera that will get no respect because of its price point.
 
Jim, Thanks. If it were not for your vision and creating Red, I would not be in the fortunate position I am in the world today. I will be forever grateful. Dave
 
I can't thank you enough Jim for what you brought to our lives, and I'm very satisfied i did meet you in my life a couple of times.
Enjoy your time as much as you can , you do have all my respect. Still hope from time to time, we'll hear something from you.
take care!!
 
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