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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

New Mac Pro coming in April

You are a self absorbed ass hole , enjoy Hollywood.
 
I am self absorbed, whats your excuse.

You seem angry with the word Hollywood. I used it only as a reference to well budgeted features which, sorry...seem to be cut in LA mostly...I wasnt saying it as a way of putting down any other editors work that arent dong features which is the context in which you are trying to apply it to me.

Calm down a bit, Im sorry I put down the software you use and Im sorry you felt your only recourse was to call me names. Insecure much?

Poi Boy said:
You are a self absorbed ass hole , enjoy Hollywood.
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Paul,
When you dropped Final Cut, what NLE did you turn to? I assume you went to a different OS and platform as well? What about color grading software? Did you use Color, and what have you migrated to?
Thanks
 
Ahhh- it is always so refreshing to come across someone who knows everything. And is smart enough to know that he knows everything. And is arrogant enough to tell people he knows everything. And, on top of all THAT enlightenment, can still be so humbly ignorant enough to think that people will believe anything he says. :laugh:
 
Hi Joseph,

I actually still cut features on FCP7 since sometimes some studios force you to use it, specifically the ones that shoot Red cameras. They of course have the on set DIT creating Pro Res files for FCP7 or DNxHd if on Avid to cut with for us. When the picture gets locked it all gets turned over to sound and color and onlined by other vendors, we dont do final color we just oversee it.

I do use Avid more than anything though as that is still the standard for features and Ive used it on Mac or PC, doesnt really matter as the interface is identical.

At my home studio for short form stuff I use both Avid and FCP7 and have been dabbling with Premiere (pretty damn good) and FCPX but every time I open FCPX...I end up closing it in disgust. I always hire a colorist for my short form stuff as well, thats not my skill set and its worth the investment on a production you care about.

Joseph Bailey said:
Paul,
When you dropped Final Cut, what NLE did you turn to? I assume you went to a different OS and platform as well? What about color grading software? Did you use Color, and what have you migrated to?
Thanks
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What did I say I know and that anyone should believe me about? I gave an opinion I think? Doesnt matter if anyone "agrees" with me, I was just voicing my opinion from my little bit of experience...thats all. It obviously rubbed a couple people the wrong way which if you read anything; which it sounds like you didnt...you would also know that I apologized for the way it came off...that said my opinion stands until Apple changes my mind which looks like it wont at this point.

Whats refreshing is that I did know YOU were going to chime in soon, so blinded in all your fanboy brilliance you would say something that has no context in this discussion just to give yourself a false sense of cleverness. You and your comments are predictable and transparent, that I do want you to believe truly....or not.

Terry VerHaar said:
Ahhh- it is always so refreshing to come across someone who knows everything. And is smart enough to know that he knows everything. And is arrogant enough to tell people he knows everything. And, on top of all THAT enlightenment, can still be so humbly ignorant enough to think that people will believe anything he says. :laugh:
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Paul, it is not so much what you said, but moreso the apparent sanctimonious attitude you took towards some folks on this thread who may have had had a different editing requirement or opinion than you do.

It is fine to disagree and voice an opinion, but there is a way to say and do everything. One which involves mutual respect. From your IMDB it seems that you do have a wealth of industry experience, and you seem to be a valuable source of knowledge and advice for this community.

It is not that anybody doesn't value you input, it is just the way it came across.

All the best,

Ivan
 
Paul Harb said:
At my home studio for short form stuff I use both Avid and FCP7 and have been dabbling with Premiere (pretty damn good) and FCPX but every time I open FCPX...I end up closing it in disgust.
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Paul,

this doesn't really give the impression that you really have *used* FCPX recently and have a deep knowledge in its tools.

My story is pretty much the same as a lot of people who edit in FCPX now (btw, no I don't edit feature films):
I bought it. Hated it. Trashed it. Asked money back.

Gave it another chance after 10.0.3. Bought some tutorials, FORCED myself on not returning to FCP7 and finishing the project on X. I found a lot to love and a lot to hate.
Since 10.0.3 I have been using FCPX more and more, and with the 10.0.7 update I can say that I'm working 99 procent on X now, and sometimes opening FCP7. Yes, I also have Premiere Pro CS 5.5.
Yes, my wish list for Apple for FCPX is pretty long. The program is anything but perfect. But guess what? Avid and Premiere and FCP7 aren't either.
Now I had a big hand in having the company I work for (freelance) switch to X, together with another editor that I learned X before we did the switch. We are delivering work faster and with greater results.
And we do this all with that toy-software you speak of, in comparison with working with 7.
Yes, I know not everyones situation is the same.

You can find some amazing power in FCPX (organisation trough keywords and smart collections is *immensely* powerful and time-saving for both narrative work and documentary work), power in the quality of output, 5K support, great media management in automated proxies (although it could be better), etc. ...

Look at Craig Seeman (if I'm not mistaken) who makes specials for the BBC. They always had 5 days to finish a special, I think 45 minute content, but I could be wrong.
He had promised himself to do all that work in FCPX from now, and he got to work with a director who was very skeptical of X. In the first time in history of cutting that special, they finished it in 4 days instead of 5, and the director went back glowing with praise of X.

X *is* getting more and more attention and rightfully so. Yes, it is very young software, but it also has a lot of very strong concepts that other NLE's can't match (although they need to mature a bit).
Legacy FCP was also laughed at, in the beginning, but slowly and surely it made its way into the industry. I think X could get the same future.
 
I have never actually used X myself... how does it handle migrating a project file from one system to another for multiple machine edits?
 
Ivan Kovax said:
Paul, it is not so much what you said, but moreso the apparent sanctimonious attitude you took towards some folks on this thread who may have had had a different editing requirement or opinion than you do.

It is fine to disagree and voice an opinion, but there is a way to say and do everything. One which involves mutual respect. From your IMDB it seems that you do have a wealth of industry experience, and you seem to be a valuable source of knowledge and advice for this community.

It is not that anybody doesn't value you input, it is just the way it came across.

All the best,

Ivan
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Gotta agree with Ivan, Paul. There are a lot of people on this list with a wealth of experience (many more than you, no doubt) in various aspects of high end production. Many of them don't have to let everybody know what their street creds are in order to make a point. So here's a tip. It's not really helpful to make fun of the kinds of filmmaking other people are engaged in. You end up demeaning their person. I've gotten in some stupid arguments on this list that I later regretted. Humility is a powerful attribute that can go a long way toward making your point. It's way better than bluster. In the end, you'll feel better too. My two cents.

Tim Eaton
 
Ivan Kovax said:
I have never actually used X myself... how does it handle migrating a project file from one system to another for multiple machine edits?
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In short: lots of room for improvement, but not impossible at all.

Working on the same edit at the same time isn't possible... yet. (Alex4D found some things in the underlying code of FCPX that was geared towards a system of 'guardians' or something, with different people being able to only work on specific kinds of things. It's rumor, but substantiated)

If I'm not mistaken, if you have the same media pools (called Events, in FCPX) on both systems (and they are fixed in having everything), you can just duplicate sequences (called Projects) in FCPX, more or less like you did in FCP7.


Macbreak Studio made a good movies about it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqtOcAQWcHE&list=PL607BE2B2BFE9BE1A&index=8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQlgZj7ewSU&list=PL607BE2B2BFE9BE1A&index=21

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu-ga7fxKh8&list=PL607BE2B2BFE9BE1A&index=38
 
I've got a new iMac arriving soon, and am in need of upgrading to a newer 64-bit NLE (mainly considering FCPX and Premiere, with Avid as an outside possibility as I don't know or work with anyone who uses it). Can anyone tell me or point me in the direction of the reasons why FCPX isn't suited for editing long-form projects?

I'm pretty well tied into the ProRes workflow these days (shooting and editing), so the native compatibility of FCPX seems sensible - I realise it's meant to be a very different style of editing, but I'm willing to at least try it. How does Premiere compare, and what makes it better suited to long-form work?
 
Timothy Eaton said:
Gotta agree with Ivan, Paul. There are a lot of people on this list with a wealth of experience (many more than you, no doubt) in various aspects of high end production. Many of them don't have to let everybody know what their street creds are in order to make a point. So here's a tip. It's not really helpful to make fun of the kinds of filmmaking other people are engaged in. You end up demeaning their person. I've gotten in some stupid arguments on this list that I later regretted. Humility is a powerful attribute that can go a long way toward making your point. It's way better than bluster. In the end, you'll feel better too. My two cents.

Tim Eaton
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What Tim said.
 
I totally get that and agree with you. I did try and apologize and I will try to refrain in the future, but when I get personal attacks Im not one to sit back...just not my style.

Ivan Kovax said:
Paul, it is not so much what you said, but moreso the apparent sanctimonious attitude you took towards some folks on this thread who may have had had a different editing requirement or opinion than you do.

It is fine to disagree and voice an opinion, but there is a way to say and do everything. One which involves mutual respect. From your IMDB it seems that you do have a wealth of industry experience, and you seem to be a valuable source of knowledge and advice for this community.

It is not that anybody doesn't value you input, it is just the way it came across.

All the best,

Ivan
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See this bothers me because as far as I can tell I never gave my street creds at all, what I did do was clarify the niche of editing I do for a living...did I start spouting off my resume somewhere?

I had my initial 'debate' with someone who basically said everything is great with FCPX, and he is doing just fine editing on a laptop and cashing fat checks. That got me going, please go back and read the progression of the thread. I did cme at him strong in my response and then apologized after that for my tone.... I think maybe because I used the word Hollywood to signify well budgeted feature films that got some other people going and they felt that was an elitist slam? I dont know but it wasnt intended that way at all.

I come from extremely humble beginnings in my career so I would never try and put someone elses work down and I sure as hell would never start spouting off my resume...thats extremely bad form.....but if someone is trying to tell me my complaints about a piece of gear or software in my workflow is just crazy and its not stopping them from cashing fat checks, implying Im the one with the issue...Im gonna state my position and probably be a little annoyed.


Its all good, Id love to just let this go and talk about the new mac pro that is coming in April :tongue:


Timothy Eaton said:
Gotta agree with Ivan, Paul. There are a lot of people on this list with a wealth of experience (many more than you, no doubt) in various aspects of high end production. Many of them don't have to let everybody know what their street creds are in order to make a point. So here's a tip. It's not really helpful to make fun of the kinds of filmmaking other people are engaged in. You end up demeaning their person. I've gotten in some stupid arguments on this list that I later regretted. Humility is a powerful attribute that can go a long way toward making your point. It's way better than bluster. In the end, you'll feel better too. My two cents.

Tim Eaton
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I struggling to see why people are getting so wound up by Paul's posts...? His dislike of FCPX has a bit of passion about it... but hey this forum is full if that!

Does anyone know of any really evidence of MacPro users moving, on mass, over to PC (from adobe/avid/autodesk). We have for a couple of machines (and it anecdotally feels correct) but I have seen a few multi media creative spaces with lots of the imacs (and looking ok) where I would have assumed everyone should have been on a proper workstations...

The wait goes on!!!

Michael L
 
Nothing wrong with the recent offerings from Apple as far as Mac Pro's go.
They are running fine with Avid MC/Symphony, Pro Tools, DaVinci Resolve, Adobe CS5.5/6 Suite of tools and more.
I run a few PCs (BOXX and Dell) for Maya and Adobe CS along with the Mac Pro's.
They all get along IMHO :)
 
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