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Xeen Cine Lens Set - Group Buy

Jacek Zakowicz said:
What I'm saying is that they have been selling $500 lowest priced lenses and that's what the market is associating them with.
Now they are trying to go up market with $2500 Lenses. Added value aside (I personally think that there is that amount of added value or more but really who cares what I think- I will not be buying them)
The market perception going that much higher will be very difficult to change. It's much easier to go down market than up market.
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I agree that going "up market" can be difficult for a brand but, Rokinon (etc) has been associated with great VALUE along with their "affordable" pricing. Given that there are reasons for a higher price; namely, new coatings, better mechanical capabilities and cine design, with perhaps better matching and more careful construction, then I think they can make a case. How high they can place the price only the market can decide.

The other wild cards are 1) what other affordable cine lenses will come around in this price range and, 2) will high quality electronic "still" lenses (like Sigma Art series,etc.) really begin to invade the space with control capabilities like with Foolcontrol. These are the things that are effecting my ultimate interest, along with price.
 
As a side note- this is a Chinese company entering market they had never considered due to the small volumes. Once the Chinese get their sight on something- it's game over. I'd be really worried if I were Canon CN/E, Schneider, Zeiss CP, etc.. These will not survive the invasion IMO. But make no mistake - Rokinon will take a bite of UP, S4minis, Leicas Crons as well. Not that's it's a bad thing- I'm all for free market...
We may actually be seeing the effect of this with the recent CN/E price drop- although it may be too early. The Rokinons look like older Canon designs. My suspicion is that the 20 year old patents expired couple of years ago and the Chinese factory that made hose Canons "inherited" the designs. Hence Canon dropping out first . But that's pure speculation- to be clear...
 
Jacek Zakowicz said:
As a side note- this is a Chinese company entering market they had never considered due to the small volumes. Once the Chinese get their sight on something- it's game over. I'd be really worried if I were Canon CN/E, Schneider, Zeiss CP, etc.. These will not survive the invasion IMO. But make no mistake - Rokinon will take a bite of UP, S4minis, Leicas Crons as well. Not that's it's a bad thing- I'm all for free market...
We may actually be seeing the effect of this with the recent CN/E price drop- although it may be too early. The Rokinons look like older Canon designs. My suspicion is that the 20 year old patents expired couple of years ago and the Chinese factory that made hose Canons "inherited" the designs. Hence Canon dropping out first . But that's pure speculation- to be clear...
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Rokinon or Xeen lenses are made by Samyang Optics and it is a Korean company and I believe they manufacture their lenses in Korea.
By the way, I tested these lenses against CP.2 lenses at Abel cine last week and these lenses breath far less than Zeiss CP.2 lenses. I cannot comment on 20 year old Canon lens design but , just looking at breathing alone, I have to say that Samyang did a pretty good job. There are other considerations for the lens quality, such as color shift and resolution but that is more related to the optical elements not the lens design. South Korea has made very good quality lenses following Germany and Japan so this is not a surprise for me.
 
I am guessing that for a group buy, the lens mount choice will likely have to be identical across the whole batch.
 
Jacek Zakowicz said:
As a side note- this is a Chinese company entering market they had never considered due to the small volumes. Once the Chinese get their sight on something- it's game over. I'd be really worried if I were Canon CN/E, Schneider, Zeiss CP, etc.. These will not survive the invasion IMO. But make no mistake - Rokinon will take a bite of UP, S4minis, Leicas Crons as well. Not that's it's a bad thing- I'm all for free market...
We may actually be seeing the effect of this with the recent CN/E price drop- although it may be too early. The Rokinons look like older Canon designs. My suspicion is that the 20 year old patents expired couple of years ago and the Chinese factory that made hose Canons "inherited" the designs. Hence Canon dropping out first . But that's pure speculation- to be clear...
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I can't believe how ignorant you are Jacek. Try to get your facts straight.
Further the Xeen lenses are not the same as their "cinevised" lenses. They have proper cinema housings, more robust, higher number of iris blades, better markings. Do you expect them to be sold under 1000$? Do you know what quantity they produce and what their cost is??

What's with all the bitching, we should be thankful for companies like Samyang to make products for the little guys who can't afford to buy Ultra Primes and higher end cinema glass! Amen.

Having said that, yes very interested in the PL version... but...
Rokinon or Samyang, metric or imperial? Will they still give a group buy discount if metric and imperial lenses are mixed up in the order? I'd prefer metric.
 
Marc Oberdorfer said:
I can't believe how ignorant you are Jacek. Try to get your facts straight.
Further the Xeen lenses are not the same as their "cinevised" lenses. They have proper cinema housings, more robust, higher number of iris blades, better markings. Do you expect them to be sold under 1000$? Do you know what quantity they produce and what their cost is??

What's with all the bitching, we should be thankful for companies like Samyang to make products for the little guys who can't afford to buy Ultra Primes and higher end cinema glass! Amen.

Having said that, yes very interested in the PL version... but...
Rokinon or Samyang, metric or imperial? Will they still give a group buy discount if metric and imperial lenses are mixed up in the order? I'd prefer metric.
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I may be a lot of things but I'm definitely not ignorant when it comes to lenses haha. I've been in this industry working on lenses for 28 years. I have designed and built more cine lens conversions than most people on this forum will ever own in their life time. Yes the times are changing. And that's a good thing. These lenses will end up costing between $1500 and $2000 street price. And there is a good chance they will take out the low end PL glass in the process. And yes the glass looks awfully close to Canon in shape and form . And all these Canons are 20+ years old designs. And patents are kept for 20 years . It's a simple math....
 
interested depending on the price
 
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