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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Windows Thunderbolt + PPro + Red Rocket = cool demo

'Nice, about to order thunderbolt to pc express so I can run red rocket raid on my little air..
 
Very impressive! As an editor who uses both Mac and Win7, this is very exciting.

Is there a performance increase when running Adobe Creative Suite in bootcamp Win7 vs. OSX, or was this just for demonstration.
Also, does the Sonnet Chassis only work with Win7? (this being the necessity of bootcamp)

I use a 17" Macbook Pro, but also have a Win7 desktop setup. I've never needed/used bootcamp before.
 
David McGavran said:
My colleague Mr David Helmly showing a cool demo...

Enjoy

Dave

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKx-cr4bi74
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Interesting video Dave.

Must go with the guys comments from already:

+ is there a reason why David is using bootcamp over OSX?
+ has he tried on a supped up MacBookPro 17" Quad Core with 8GB RAM?
+ be interesting to see what the playback is like if the footage is being read through a Promise TB RAID connected through the Sonnet Chassis?

The sooner this chassis is out in the real world the better so people can do some real world testing...

:))
 
Steve Johnson said:
Interesting video Dave.

Must go with the guys comments from already:

+ is there a reason why David is using bootcamp over OSX?
+ has he tried on a supped up MacBookPro 17" Quad Core with 8GB RAM?
+ be interesting to see what the playback is like if the footage is being read through a Promise TB RAID connected through the Sonnet Chassis?

The sooner this chassis is out in the real world the better so people can do some real world testing...

:))
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We already demoed with Sonnet on the mac :) Thats why we wanted to demo something else. Anyone here see a windows thunderbolt demo before? Pretty cool that they pulled that together. When and how much are questions for Sonnet and I just bought one of the high end 15" macbook pro. That is what I develop ppro on (as do others on my team)

Cheers

Dave
 
David McGavran said:
We already demoed with Sonnet on the mac :) Thats why we wanted to demo something else. Anyone here see a windows thunderbolt demo before? Pretty cool that they pulled that together. When and how much are questions for Sonnet and I just bought one of the high end 15" macbook pro. That is what I develop ppro on (as do others on my team)

Cheers

Dave
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Great Dave.

That's cool. Its nice to see it working on Windows, knowing that its working the same on OSX.

I suppose if your developing on OSX, then its going to all work like that - really nice to see the RED Rocket working as it does on something like a MacBook Air which always bodes well for those working on MacBookPro's. Using this method, does working with the R3D files in PP on longer timelines impact performance? I always edit in 20minute segments (similar to old reels etc) so just wondering if your editing a 90 minute feature, would you recommend breaking ti up for performance or is it working good that you could work without any performance loss in one long timeline?!?!?!?

The continual work you guys are doing with R3D files and for this community is brilliant - thank you.

:))
 
Steve Johnson said:
Great Dave.

That's cool. Its nice to see it working on Windows, knowing that its working the same on OSX.

I suppose if your developing on OSX, then its going to all work like that - really nice to see the RED Rocket working as it does on something like a MacBook Air which always bodes well for those working on MacBookPro's. Using this method, does working with the R3D files in PP on longer timelines impact performance? I always edit in 20minute segments (similar to old reels etc) so just wondering if your editing a 90 minute feature, would you recommend breaking ti up for performance or is it working good that you could work without any performance loss in one long timeline?!?!?!?

The continual work you guys are doing with R3D files and for this community is brilliant - thank you.

:))
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You shouldn't have to break up your timeline. If you find you do it's a bug and we should fix it :)

Cheers

Dave
 
While I appreciate the demo and Dave H always does a great job, I think it would be a more impressive demo if he were using the Blackmagic card to output to an HD-SDI monitor. In most of the demo's for Premiere Pro the first thing that gets "adjusted" is the fractional playback setting 1/2 1/4 1/8 to get realtime playback. From my experience with Blackmagic using an Extreme HD 3D card, there is no fractional playback. Its full resolution or nothing. This in my opinion has been the weakest link for Premiere, getting the app to work with the third party I/O vendors. Haven't seen any real improvements in the CS-5 series after a year of waiting. Anxious to see what CS-6 brings.

Ray
 
Ray Tragesser said:
While I appreciate the demo and Dave H always does a great job, I think it would be a more impressive demo if he were using the Blackmagic card to output to an HD-SDI monitor. In most of the demo's for Premiere Pro the first thing that gets "adjusted" is the fractional playback setting 1/2 1/4 1/8 to get realtime playback. From my experience with Blackmagic using an Extreme HD 3D card, there is no fractional playback. Its full resolution or nothing. This in my opinion has been the weakest link for Premiere, getting the app to work with the third party I/O vendors. Haven't seen any real improvements in the CS-5 series after a year of waiting. Anxious to see what CS-6 brings.

Ray
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I guess if you could hear me you would hear me humming happily

Cheers

Dave
 
Tech Demo: MacBook Air ROCKET & Win7

Tech Demo: MacBook Air ROCKET & Win7

Just thought I'd respond to a few questions (as usual, Dave McGavran and I are in sync) on the Thunderbolt (TB) demo.

No real reason I chose to show it to run under Windows 7 other than I've been surprised that we haven't seen any demos of Windows running TB before now. It actually works pretty good in it's current beta state. That said the Mac OS kicks @ss running the same config. Please keep in mind that half the battle is getting alpha/beta Windows drivers for each TB device. All TB devices need drivers at some level. There are also various rules about the order of TB devices in the chain and the number of devices. Laptops and desktops have different TB controller chips and each has different limitations - Welcome to what I call THUNDER WARS.

The Mac + TB is really last years news and we all want more TB peripherals to start shipping and to start showing Intel and PC makers that there is lots interest on both sides and it will benefit all TB users. I have no preference on OS and use both everyday.

Adobe and Intel are working weekly on various things and TB is near the top of the list. They have been great about picking Adobe ProVideo to partner on all things TB and we want to insure our Premiere & AE users we are running all on cylinders when it comes to TB. I have provided TB devices to both engineering teams and you can bet they are making good use of them ;) Yes, Dave McGavran and his Premiere Pro development team have been busy.

I hope to arrange a very cool demo at NAB where users can see a similar TB demo for themselves. I'll warn the mac users now, the demo will more than likely be a PC. Apple has ZERO interest in providing hardware to show our Pro Video solutions at events. I buy my own Mac towers (personal expense) and Adobe provides the Apple laptops. The PC makers go out of their way to help (Hp is #1 in my book for supporting us, no questions asked) . Several PC TB makers have already contacted me. I have not picked the TB hardware partner yet for NAB. I just wanted to get that out of the way as I know people will comment. It's not an anti-mac thing, I just feel strong about the partners that support my field team.

A note about the audio, the Sonnet prototype enclosure I'm using has very loud fans and I had to do some quick sound clean up before posting. I was limited to the short distance of the TB cable as you can see at the end of the demo, the Snowball mic is too close to the whole setup. I could have taken the time to make a more professional video but I felt I needed to keep it what it was - an experiment and more of blog video. The final version of the Sonnet Chassis is now at Intel for final approval and yes it has quiet fans.

You have to admit, doing ingest on the BMD box and playback on the Sonnet/Rocket via TB at the same time really gets you thinking about whats possible.

None of this would have happend if the 4 companies did not communicate as often as we do. Intel, RED, Sonnet, and BMD all supported Adobe in showing this. It's all back to partners working together - thanks to all of them.....

DKH
 
Dave,

Thanks for these great comments and to hear real life experiences and honest experiences coming out.

Look forward to more videos showing what is possible.

Would be interesting to see what the playback or transcoding using the Sonnet with a RR card in it, and then transcoding the R3D files to say ProRes or DNxHD and moving them to say a TB Promise RAID - how taxing that is on the system.

Again, thanks Dave. Hope to hear more from you.

:))
 
Currently, it's not possible to get GPU cards to work in TB chassis. Believe me, I have tried... working with Intel, Sonnet, and NVIDIA on this. The current issue is that every TB driver needs to aware of the TB chain at all times. It needs to know what to do when a device is disconnected and how to reset. In the case of graphics cards (GPUs) , a lot things need to happen in order to get a monitor to light up . Anyone dealing with the new Apple 27" or worse the new Apple 27" TB display will know what I mean. These are gorgeous displays (I own 2 of each) but work entirely differently on a TB chain. Again the driver needs to know how to deal it - i also saw another (fairly ugly) TB display at CES and it will be interesting to see what happens as more devices roll out. In my discussions with Intel & NVIDIA & Sonnet, they all want GPU support at some point but there appears to be a few more hurdles while they work out the spec. All in all , I've been pretty happy with TB and multiple devices.

On the Transcoding side, the good news is that the Rocket and Intel processors can work together to get the encoding done. Let's get Dave McGavran's opinion from an engineering side. I can run some test.
 
dhelmly said:
Currently, it's not possible to get GPU cards to work in TB chassis. [...] In the case of graphics cards (GPUs) , a lot things need to happen in order to get a monitor to light up .
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Does this mean that you can't use a GPU in a TB chassis even if you use it just for CUDA processing (no monitor attached) or just that you can't use it with a monitor?
 
Jaakko Rinne said:
Does this mean that you can't use a GPU in a TB chassis even if you use it just for CUDA processing (no monitor attached) or just that you can't use it with a monitor?
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That is a good question.. We don't have enough of these chassis's to work with yet...

Cheers

Dave
 
Magma ExpressBox 3T

Magma ExpressBox 3T

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Magma ExpressBox 3T looks even more attractive with three PCIe 2.0 expansion slots (Two x8 and One x4)
 
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