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What would make Scarlet a perfect camera?

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What would make Scarlet a perfect camera?

Apple prores 422, Avid DNxHD or some similar codec to compress 2k video and use scarlet also in small documentary productions.

Storage is still a problem for everyone and these codecs produce excellent results, maybe someone will come up with some external compression system, but red should include something on it´s own.

Enrico
 
enrico parenti said:
What would make Scarlet a perfect camera?

Apple prores 422, Avid DNxHD or some similar codec to compress 2k video and use scarlet also in small documentary productions.

Storage is still a problem for everyone and these codecs produce excellent results, maybe someone will come up with some external compression system, but red should include something on it´s own.

Enrico
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Redcode rules, you drool. :weight_lift:
 
Does it really need to be anymore perfect. This is an incredibly spec'd camera. People need to stop stressing what the camera needs and start stressing ideas to be shot with the camera. These tools at the prices they are being offered for leave little room to complain...other than waiting for them to be released.

IMO writing something fantastic to be shot is time better spent than figuring out what is missing from the camera.

hopefully no offense will be taken.

(r)yan
 
The finished product in my paws right now... That's what would make the Scarlet a perfect camera.

Howls,
Wolf
 
What would make Scarlet a perfect camera?

To be available right now. Nothing more, noting less.

And for me it's okay to wait another year, knowing that the cam will be the One. I've had many cams, but with no one I was sure that it had everything I needed. They were okay for there pricepoint meaning there were no other in that cost/function area better, but it all had a not so nice smell of "Let's se what comes next year/month/week.

When I get my hands on my (hopefully) two fixed Scarlets I feel like there is no cam to be announced that can be better without needing more of something.

George
 
enrico parenti said:
Apple prores 422, Avid DNxHD or some similar codec to compress 2k video and use scarlet also in small documentary productions.
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Isn't 3K+ and, especially, REDCODE RAW the whole point of RED cameras?

We want RED cameras because they give us piles of information (resolution and dynamic range) that we can take away from a shoot and use in post. If you throw that information away just after you have collected it, you might as well not have collected it at all.

If you only want 2K and 422 color space, I think you should be looking at a different camera. I don't mean that in a negative way. I'm just saying that something like the Sony EX1 or Panasonic HPX170 would better fit your workflow needs.

Here's an analogy: F1 race cars cost $1,000,000. Honda Accords cost $20,000. Suddenly, RED RACERS starts selling F1 race cars for the same price as Honda Accords. Great! Buy one! But given the special fuel, and the uncomfortable seat, and the team required to just start an F1 car, you won't want to drive it 30 kph in heavy rush hour traffic every day to work. All of the advantages of the F1 are lost in that situation, and the Accord is a MUCH better choice for that.
 
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Well you really have two different workflows here.

2K (theatrical) and 1080p (television)

In the latter case, you could should 3K or you could shoot 1080p direct.

The nice thing is the camera offers both. And in the latter case it is 10-bit RGB (4:4:4) not 8-bit YCC (4:2:2).
 
Sure enough 444 is the best, but the greatest thing is the possibility to open to a wider public as possible, most of users will probably use Scarlet as a television/DVD/short movie camera and maybe look forward to get to theaters another day.

Theaters will mean big productions budgets and there will not be the problem of using an Epic camera or film.

A special type of redcode for 1080p and 2k will be great in my opinion, space is something a lot of people are concerned.

Thanks!
 
mail4joeg said:
What would make it perfect is a CONTEST each month giving away fully loaded FF35s (like the first 10 units / 1 per month). It could be coming up with advertisements for the cameras ... something like that.
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Nope. This Idea sucks and screams "Old-Camera-Producers-wanna-get-advertising-for-cheep". Red has enough Ad-Value with all the Word-of-Mouth stuff going on.

And lets be honest, for what they give you Red is dirt-cheep. Why should they give some cams away for free in addition?

George
 
Just another thought, off at a tangent somewhat. With a DSLR, when you change lenses, there is a shutter between the sensor and the outside world, and still dust is a problem, to the extent that various dust elimination systems are being fitted by the manufacturers.
Now Red aren't daft (Obviously!) so some form of capping shutter to protect the sensor when lens changing, and an ultrasonic dust removal system would be very useful, almost to the extent of essential.
Nothing has been said about this in the spec, so.....are they fitted? Will they be fitted? I really hope so.
 
enrico parenti said:
Storage is still a problem for everyone and these codecs produce excellent results, maybe someone will come up with some external compression system, but red should include something on it´s own.
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Are you referring to archival/working storage, or that on the camera. Either way, neither should be a problem for anyone. 1TB (end 1.5TB) drives are dirt cheap these days, and you can fit quite a lot of footage on those (over 10 hours of RAW 4K footage per TB). As for on-camera storage, then the Red Drive can record roughly 3.5 hours of RAW 4K.
 
Stuart English said:
Well you really have two different workflows here.

2K (theatrical) and 1080p (television)

In the latter case, you could should 3K or you could shoot 1080p direct.

The nice thing is the camera offers both. And in the latter case it is 10-bit RGB (4:4:4) not 8-bit YCC (4:2:2).
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Interesting information - FF1080p is 10-bit RGB 4:4:4. And its called Redcode RGB, right? So there is reason to assume that compression will be wavelet.

Any chance to give us an estimate of possible min and max data rates?

Martin
 
Well, the main reason I'm interested in RED cameras is because of REDCODE RAW! If I wanted to shoot in RGB there are pleanty of other nice cameras out there (althogh they can't compete in value/$ with RED cameras). I do appreciate the addition of REDCODE RGB, but I don't see this as the main selling point for Scarlet.

As others have said. If you can buy a $4000 camera, you can most defenetly afford to buy several Terrabytes of storage for your REDCODE RGB.

I'm sure REDCODE RGB will be a good alternative for timeline rendering and even final RGB 4:4:4 final output. And on quick projects that need a FAST turn-around time this might even be the preferable way to shoot.

So again, thanks RED for giving us more choices to achive the "look" we are looking for.
 
enrico parenti said:
What would make Scarlet a perfect camera?

Apple prores 422, Avid DNxHD or some similar codec to compress 2k video and use scarlet also in small documentary productions.

Storage is still a problem for everyone and these codecs produce excellent results, maybe someone will come up with some external compression system, but red should include something on it´s own.

Enrico
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Enrico,

Sounds like you should take a look at something like Convergent Design's Flash XDR (http://www.convergent-design.com/) it'll give you all sorts of flavours of RGB recording, and the ability to use much cheaper recording media too (run-of-the-mill CF cards).
 
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