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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

What next on RED?

I think a 5 inch DSMC3 Monitor is coming before too long. Maybe this fall?

I think we're probably due for some firmware updates. Im really interested to see what those have since the nikon purchase. I've heard some bits through the grapevine but not from the horse's mouth yet on that. I think we are likely to see some nice additions.
 
TYLER STOOKSBURY said:
I think a 5 inch DSMC3 Monitor is coming before too long. Maybe this fall?

I think we're probably due for some firmware updates. Im really interested to see what those have since the nikon purchase. I've heard some bits through the grapevine but not from the horse's mouth yet on that. I think we are likely to see some nice additions.
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Those breadcrumbs look like a steak.

Brian Timmons
BRITIM/MEDIA
 
I can for certain say some stuff is happening on the firmware and SDK front. Extended Highlights, current version, is supported in Resolve finally. And it sounds like there will be a new firmware update to enhance that feature further, unknown if more SDK stuff needs to happen.
 
I reached out to RED about bringing REDucation to Las Vegas with our Babs Do Studios development but there wasn't much interest. We're still looking for investors to get Babs Do Studios off the ground but whether it's the economy, the election year, the studio industry issues or all of the above, our search hasn't turned up much yet. We're still on the hunt, lots of potential investors out there and you can follow our progress at www.BabsDoStudios.com.

As for RED, I've stated several things in the past about what could come next but if I were to put down something for right now aside from firmware updates, I would say it would be simple and it very well could be that we may see a Nikon Z version of a RED camera, whether it is a variant of Komodo or Raptor, I don't know but same specs otherwise but with a Nikon Z lens mount.
 
I'd really like to see a Komodo or newer camera model in that same vein with a Z Mount. I'm sure things will progress that direction due to the new ownership. Some of the new Z lenses are pretty great. The 58mm F0.95 is an astrophotographers wet dream. I got my hands on it at a semi-private demo. I'd love to have one myself, but at just pennies under $8K, I'll pass for now.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
I'd really like to see a Komodo or newer camera model in that same vein with a Z Mount. I'm sure things will progress that direction due to the new ownership. Some of the new Z lenses are pretty great. The 58mm F0.95 is an astrophotographers wet dream. I got my hands on it at a semi-private demo. I'd love to have one myself, but at just pennies under $8K, I'll pass for now.
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I am +1 here. Whether it's a native mount that we have rigid adapters, like the DSCM3 PL, or a full removable mount.

RF helps with adapted a great deal of lenses. Z-Mount gets us a lot more with more possibilities.

For those who aren't as nerdy on that front. Z-Mount is the shortest flange depth bayonet mount for S35, FF35, and VV. A very interesting difference 4mm makes, but newer Nikon Z, Sony E, L-Mount, and Hasselblad XCD become possible. C-Mount already works within the RF, but it's easier on Z.

And to give a good firm handshake, for the formats typically associated with RF and Z, both Canon and Nikon did a great job on these new mirrorless mounts from a technology standpoint as well as some of the more technical dimensional wiggles when adapting lenses. Specifically the inner diameter of the mount itself.
 
I can only hope for a 5 perf 65mm camera from red and that it be as compact as the regular raptor with some kind of mirrorless mount, and as @Phil Holland talked about, an 8640 pixel height for dci deliverables, with a global shutter obviously
 
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I could be reading things wrong but there was chatter on a very recent camera livestream that seems to hint at Komodo and Komodo X being sold at more affordable price points in the near future.

Will see if this is the case or maybe I'm not getting enough sleep (which is kind of true lately).

Brian Timmons
BRITIM/MEDIA
 
I'm expecting RED to continue as a brand under Nikon and we'll see a merging of tech over the next few years. The Komodo form factor is great for many configurations and I see it holding a price premium for that reason over something like the Z-series mirrorless or SLR form factor. Speaking of Z-series, the new Z6III provides a lot of the same functionality of Komodo, but still lacks some of the key tech features -- as do other offerings from Canon, Sony, etc.. Komodo and Komodo X have global shutters and the superior DCT oriented wavelet REDCODE vs. ProRes and H.265. Also superior dynamic range, especially vs the Z6. I've been a Nikon shooter forever and I didn't hesitate to buy my Z9 when it released. I was planning to get a Z6III, but unfortunately I'm going to sit on that a bit as it would be my secondary body and I feel it doesn't live up to what I was hoping for in some ways. The measured 10 stops DR is somewhat concerning, but not really the problem as both its low light performance and highlight retention look to be excellent. I'm just not wild about the "texture" of the imagery I'm seeing thus far. It really feels different and falls short of the Z9. Yes, the Z9 is the flagship and is truly excellent... So good in fact I think it elevated my hopes to an unrealistic level for other new entries in their lineup.

I do expect that we'll see the RED cameras, particularly the Komodo line or future similar offerings, to incorporate the Z-Mount as opposed to the Canon RF.
 
Edith Blazek said:
I can only hope for a 5 perf 65mm camera from red and that it be as compact as the regular raptor with some kind of mirrorless mount, and as @Phil Holland talked about, an 8640 pixel height for dci deliverables, with a global shutter obviously
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I wonder what the focus would be with such a sensor - DR or resolution? DR is already amazing with the newest sensors, but you could go a bit more with more surface area to work with. Or just stay with current DR and give 12-14K of resolution. Of course this is all academic, but it's fun to speculate.
 
As a potential consumer and not an engineer who has to come up with the technological solution or the businesss-person who has to try to make the numbers add up, I'm not really interested in either/or, I want both.

So much dynamic range I never have to even think about using ND again. Have said it before, but putting a sheet of glass in front of or behind the lens to change the effective exposure is 1800's technology, no matter how advanced the materials and manufacturing processes get. I just want to be able to focus on lighting contrast ratio's and the more creative aspects of light and shade, without having to change what I do to accommodate the technology. The technology should be advancing in order to accommodate the more creative uses of it. No more ND, no more 12000 Watt lighting fixtures to fight the sun, just a sensor that can capture the brightest daylight and deepest shadows and allow me to determine which is which. Even if I end up just crushing it all back to 10-stops, I want to be able to move and place those 10 stops wherever I like, not where the limited technology determines. It would have to go hand in hand with more advanced post-processing and image-manipulating software as well, but that's nothing new. As the hardware advances, so does the software.

And with so much resolution that I'm only limited by the physics of the lens optics. I want to be able to pan and scan and zoom (or even move along the Z/depth axis too) to the breaking point of my chosen deliverable resolution. Not out of laziness or indecision, but to allow creative freedom beyond the current sensor resolution limits.

Related to that, there is one preference I have that would fit the either/or category, and that's related to the compression method of the R3D data and it's visual result.
I'd rather use a bigger, more power-hungy, lower-resolution (but still 8K+) camera, if it gives me a more 'organic' image down at the pixel level just before the image falls apart, instead of a smaller, more power-efficient, higher-resolution one that has a more 'digital' texture. One that gives the impression of 'grain' vs. 'noise', with 'grain' appearing more organic and like the artifacts of our actual vision. It's a difference that can still be noticeable between different cameras and sensors, despite the best efforts to control the image-capture and shoot in such a way that reduces its appearance, especially when deliberately shooting under less than perfect conditions.

And related to the optics. I'd like to see someone make a lens and sensor specifically designed and tuned to perform together at a peak performance beyond anything that can be achieved by any other combination of lens and sensor.

That's all :) .
 
On the other side of the hyprid cams range, I would love to have a no compromise stills-and-nothing-but-stills camera with the IQ capabilites of a Raptor X (and beyond). 1 fps is enough, just give me the maximum what's physically possible for resolution, DR, low light, EH, full spectrum, and all that in RAW, no JPEGs. Optimzed for post editing, not for best pictures right out of the camera.
 
A new DSMC 3 monitor with an improved mounting system and *fingers crosses* internal cabling a la DMSC 2 7" would be ideal. One can dream right!

Oh, Almost forgot - Komodo X User Page button for Focus peaking. I'm surprised this hasn't been added as of yet.
 
Les Hillis said:
And related to the optics. I'd like to see someone make a lens and sensor specifically designed and tuned to perform together at a peak performance beyond anything that can be achieved by any other combination of lens and sensor.
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Overall I get your point. But this sounds like you're asking for something that can't exist. There's only so much resolution that you're going to get from any such system. The Leica Q has a lens matched to its sensor, and yet it still has aberrations wide-open. So, matching a lens to a sensor is not really going to give you anything wild, based on what I have seen and what I know. What you can do is maybe eliminate the cover glass in such a system.
 
Or you could just get signature primes...

I've got a heavy lust for a Komodo VV. Such a great form factor, it's not like you can go any smaller...

I'm sure there's some heat/power things I'm missing.
 
RED DIGITAL CINEMA REVEALS A NEW PRICE POINT FOR KOMODO-X AND KOMODO CAMERA SYSTEMS


BTW- Scott Balkum's cinematography chat live stream hinted about this last week.
I highly recommend his stream for a variety of film discussions.
He seems to also know a thing or 2 about potential firmware updates.

Brian Timmons
BRITIM/MEDIA
 
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Slightly heartbroken. Down $3k in value on the Komodo-X and still no new monitor. Helping more folks get into the game, but not helping those already into one of these systems.
 
Yeah, a price drop on the monitor and adding a 5" would be a nice move. No reason that monitor can't be 1500. The kit prices were also updated, with no extra discount for the monitors so that's probably not happening soon.

If my komodo OG smashed to bits tomorrow, I would just get a used OG. If I was buying new, the KX great. But I'm gonna hold off on upgrades cuz I love OG and I think sub 15k VV GS is on the horizon. (Years, don't care).
 
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