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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

What do you plan on shooting with FIXED Scarlet ?

We'll have to see how good that lense really is... but I have BIG plans for this little camera! :-)
 
okay. this is me again. (old name got banned cause it wasn't my real name) I obviously forgot to put the most important info in the post and that's why i still haven't gotten an answer i can use. here goes: i make good practice of teaching myself things. i became a video editor/ graphic artist in 2 weeks using i movie and made my current profession out of it in 5 weeks with final cut, photoshop ect., i went in knowing nothing but, "this is what the pros use and all that sets me apart from them is skill". since then, those 5 weeks have turned into a full 3 years of nonstop work for me. money is no object. THERE IS NO LOGICAL REASON TO START WITH A HANDI CAM IF YOU CAN AFFORD ANYTHING. PERIOD. I CAN AT LEAST RENT THE EQUIPMENT OUT TO PROS FOR LITTLE OR NOTHING IN EXCHANGE FOR ON SET EXPERIENCE. (which is what i plan to do since i know plenty of pros who are just aching to test out Red cameras free of charge.) i have money. i don't want to waste it on 3 Red one setups if i can get some thing comparable for less. but if the scarlet won't do what a Red one will then it's not worth it. i know pros feathers get ruffled when the see someone trying to enter their field with out enough time put in. sorry. don't wanna piss anyone off. but i don't need a vhs cam to learn on. i can afford whatever so i don't wanna be limited as i learn. by best friend gets about 40 scripts a year, between mine, his and submitted ones; we'll tell a good story. screw wasting 4 years in film school. if you want to learn to drive do you read first? some people can learn in school. i can't. i sit under professionals ON FEATURE FILMS. i learn hands on. Audio? i have someone for that. does anyone have answers to my original questions?

ok. so i'm a complete newb and i am stoked about getting into film and directing. the reason that i'm loking for a scarlet setup is because i believe that your tools should limit you as little as possible as you learn any new craft. and obviously as you can see fro th Red One, the sky is the limit. i don't wanna shoot documentaries, family get-togethers ect. i want to shoot MOVIES, TV pilots/shows. period. i was eying the canon 5d and the 1d mark 4 but i just can't pull the trigger from things i've seen done with them. don't get me wrong the can handle indie films in the right hands but Steven Spielberg couldn't garner real movies or TV out of them. VDSLRS are good for weddings, indies, music videos and commercials but that's it. having said all that, my questions to you good, knowledgeable people are:

is 2/3 fixed scarlet worth my time? what's a good estated max that a ready to shoot, with all the modules, ff35 setup cost me? am i better off just spending 30k on a red one setup? if i could care less about shooting in 3k or 4k and 1080 is fine for now, what's an acceptable mac setup? the new quad imacs or does it have to be a macpro set up to even get some editing done?
 
If money is no object to you, get the Epic and deck it out. It's better than the Red One in most every way. It'll also be coming out many months ahead of the Scarlet. Your real game then will be putting a crew together everytime you want to shoot because working with cameras at this level means lots of folks to work the camera/audio/gripwork/dolly/etc.

If you insist on a 2/3 Scarlet, find out the difference between a 2/3 and a full frame and what that really means in the end. Both are used in the wide-release movies, 2/3 moreso than full-frame, both less so than S35. Spielberg would be able to pull a cinematic experience out of any of these.......and so would any half-way decent director/DP. At the complexity and quality level that RED is aiming for, none of these cameras would be limiting factor for most any director/DP.
 
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I've got a short film script I'm sitting on at the moment. It's a narrative about an extreme artist and the people who buy his work. If Scarlet makes it out during my current production timeline, I'll be using it for this project, otherwise, I may be renting a One.
 
JohnHall said:
okay. this is me again. (old name got banned cause it wasn't my real name) I obviously forgot to put the most important info in the post and that's why i still haven't gotten an answer i can use. here goes: i make good practice of teaching myself things. i became a video editor/ graphic artist in 2 weeks using i movie and made my current profession out of it in 5 weeks with final cut, photoshop ect., i went in knowing nothing but, "this is what the pros use and all that sets me apart from them is skill". since then, those 5 weeks have turned into a full 3 years of nonstop work for me. money is no object. THERE IS NO LOGICAL REASON TO START WITH A HANDI CAM IF YOU CAN AFFORD ANYTHING. PERIOD. I CAN AT LEAST RENT THE EQUIPMENT OUT TO PROS FOR LITTLE OR NOTHING IN EXCHANGE FOR ON SET EXPERIENCE. (which is what i plan to do since i know plenty of pros who are just aching to test out Red cameras free of charge.) i have money. i don't want to waste it on 3 Red one setups if i can get some thing comparable for less. but if the scarlet won't do what a Red one will then it's not worth it. i know pros feathers get ruffled when the see someone trying to enter their field with out enough time put in. sorry. don't wanna piss anyone off. but i don't need a vhs cam to learn on. i can afford whatever so i don't wanna be limited as i learn. by best friend gets about 40 scripts a year, between mine, his and submitted ones; we'll tell a good story. screw wasting 4 years in film school. if you want to learn to drive do you read first? some people can learn in school. i can't. i sit under professionals ON FEATURE FILMS. i learn hands on. Audio? i have someone for that. does anyone have answers to my original questions?

ok. so i'm a complete newb and i am stoked about getting into film and directing. the reason that i'm loking for a scarlet setup is because i believe that your tools should limit you as little as possible as you learn any new craft. and obviously as you can see fro th Red One, the sky is the limit. i don't wanna shoot documentaries, family get-togethers ect. i want to shoot MOVIES, TV pilots/shows. period. i was eying the canon 5d and the 1d mark 4 but i just can't pull the trigger from things i've seen done with them. don't get me wrong the can handle indie films in the right hands but Steven Spielberg couldn't garner real movies or TV out of them. VDSLRS are good for weddings, indies, music videos and commercials but that's it. having said all that, my questions to you good, knowledgeable people are:

is 2/3 fixed scarlet worth my time? what's a good estated max that a ready to shoot, with all the modules, ff35 setup cost me? am i better off just spending 30k on a red one setup? if i could care less about shooting in 3k or 4k and 1080 is fine for now, what's an acceptable mac setup? the new quad imacs or does it have to be a macpro set up to even get some editing done?
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Then new i7 Quad Core iMac has actually been outpacing the current dual-quad Mac Pro in most benchmarks I've seen. Granted, most of those are based on average user usage (email, internet, word processing, etc), but still... I have a feeling that a new iMac with i7's or i9's will be out in early 2010. That would be the machine to go with - more for the storage options and PCI slots than for the procs or ram.

Short answer: if you are buying right now - iMac i7 for about $2200-2500. If you are buying next year, Mac Pro.
 
I'll probably use a 2/3" for narrative shorts for myself and covering school field trips, since the 5mp stills will be plenty good enough for the network and a few photos on the wall.
Hopefully shooting with a cam with no compromises will cause me to push my skills in both story telling and filming craft.
Hey I may even be able to move into semi-pro freelance work. Or not as the case may be.
Dave
 
I plan on carrying the 8x scarlet with me at all times for photos( so I can have the most expensive and cool point and shoot available) and short clips of stuff I don't want to miss in my life ( u know when your best friend is so drunk his pants are on backwards, or you see an astonishing sunset, or somebody drives past you with a tree in his s-class merc's trunk or something like that). add extreme sports, snowboarding, biking and such.

And then of course shooting music videos, documentaries and short films and if needed - why not a feature.
 
Since loosing roughly 2/3rd's of my client base (I am a stills guy) due to their going out of business my CEO, CFO, Boss and Nagging wife (only kidding honey) is not a very happy person with my reduced income. Now I have been pushing doc work but being the new kid on the block in video it's hard to find receptive people. But I have been doing some self-written, directed and acted doc's and it seems there are some nibbles on the line. So that brings me to scarlet. I have just read the specs and find it will be a perfect addition to my arsenal and in the long run will be used for both the video and stills aspect (once business gets better) of my work. As my video work starts to flourish (positive thinking can only help) the scarlet would become my go-to workhorse for the doc work as well as the public relations brochures which were by bread and butter. So honey, break out the check book because "you have to spend money to make money!" (or so I'm told).
tom
 
Someone tell me why you can't make actual films for the big screen with the 8x fixed Scarlet? Several recent movies have been shot with 2/3" cameras (Benny Button comes to mind) and the photography is great.
 
Comercials, product and company presentations with higher technichal quality. This includes alot of postwork wich Is why i cant stop thinking about the "raw" recording!
 
TraceyLee said:
Someone tell me why you can't make actual films for the big screen with the 8x fixed Scarlet? Several recent movies have been shot with 2/3" cameras (Benny Button comes to mind) and the photography is great.
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You CAN manke a feature film with the 8x. Totally.

Star Wars II and III, Once Upon a Time in Mexico, Sin City, Grindhouse (planet terror), Spy Kids and a BUNCh of others were shot with 2/3" camera in 1080 (not even 3k)

Hell, 28 Days Later was wildly successful and it was shot with a STANDARD DEF 1/3" Canon XL-1

Crank II? Shot with Canon XH-A1's and canon HV/HF handicams as crash cams.

so yes, you CAN absolutely make feature films with Scarlet.

And thats exactly what i intend to do.
 
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Though I own multiple RED One cameras, and will be buying Epic too, I'll carry a fixed lens Scarlet with me everywhere, for use in documentaries, guerilla 2nd unit, on the fly B-roll, POV, under-the-radar in risky locations, to minimize the need for shooting permits, etc.

For television I shoot in about every genre but narrative - sports, wildlife, tourism, nature, music, cultures, environment, and many others. I'll put the fixed lens Scarlet to work in all those genres.

I also shoot a lot of commercials, high-end business media, and stock footage. The fixed lens Scarlet will be used in all of those too.

For each application or genre I'll simply choose between shooting RAW or RGB, depending on project turnaround time, delivery medium needs, etc.

My fixed lens Scarlets will be lean and mean - which has been my approach to RED One too. Nothing will go on the camera which doesn't have to be there to get the quality of shots I'm after. I don't use matte boxes and follow focus units with RED One, and I won't with Scarlet. Scarlet's internal ND filter wheel really helps in that. Mobility is a premium in the genres I work in - and this small, potent, fixed lens Scarlet will be a very welcome addition to my professional camera kits. Then I'll pull out an Epic when needed for higher resolutions, frame rates, etc.

I couldn't be happier with the tech specs and price of the fixed lens Scarlet. Nice job RED Team :)
 
I'm planning to do shortfilms, music videos, and hopefully a indie feature film. Limitations helps you become creative. And creativity is good in films.
 
Steve Gibby said:
Though I own multiple RED One cameras, and will be buying Epic too, I'll carry a fixed lens Scarlet with me everywhere, for use in documentaries, guerilla 2nd unit, on the fly B-roll, POV, under-the-radar in risky locations, to minimize the need for shooting permits, etc.

For television I shoot in about every genre but narrative - sports, wildlife, tourism, nature, music, cultures, environment, and many others. I'll put the fixed lens Scarlet to work in all those genres.

I also shoot a lot of commercials, high-end business media, and stock footage. The fixed lens Scarlet will be used in all of those too.

For each application or genre I'll simply choose between shooting RAW or RGB, depending on project turnaround time, delivery medium needs, etc.

My fixed lens Scarlets will be lean and mean - which has been my approach to RED One too. Nothing will go on the camera which doesn't have to be there to get the quality of shots I'm after. I don't use matte boxes and follow focus units with RED One, and I won't with Scarlet. Scarlet's internal ND filter wheel really helps in that. Mobility is a premium in the genres I work in - and this small, potent, fixed lens Scarlet will be a very welcome addition to my professional camera kits. Then I'll pull out an Epic when needed for higher resolutions, frame rates, etc.

I couldn't be happier with the tech specs and price of the fixed lens Scarlet. Nice job RED Team :)
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Hey Steve, if one of your Red One's is feeling a bit exhausted from all the hard work and feels like moving to Maui.. I know a guy that wouldn't mind puttin her up for an indefinite amount of time.. This offer expires..never : )
 
Kalani Prince said:
Hey Steve, if one of your Red One's is feeling a bit exhausted from all the hard work and feels like moving to Maui.. I know a guy that wouldn't mind puttin her up for an indefinite amount of time.. This offer expires..never : )
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Howzit braddah! We did TV programs and tourism work in Hawaii every winter from the mid-80's until around 2002 - on all the Islands (except naturally Koolawe and Niihau). Our last work trip to the Islands was in December 2007, where we used my three REDs on a Fuel TV production covering the Pipeline Masters on Oahu - covered from the air (helicopter), in-water, and long lens on land.

We love Maui! We've shot on every part of the island - but not yet with RED. If you have ideas for some RED production on Maui, PM me at my RED User box and we'll talk story and figure out some cool stuff. Right about this time of year is when we've always come to the Islands - and we're itching to go. My REDs aren't exhausted, they don't go anywhere I don't go - and the same will be true of my Epic and Scarlet cameras :)

BTW - the windscreens look very cool
 
Steve Gibby said:
Howzit braddah! We did TV programs and tourism work in Hawaii every winter from the mid-80's until around 2002 - on all the Islands (except naturally Koolawe and Niihau). Our last work trip to the Islands was in December 2007, where we used my three REDs on a Fuel TV production covering the Pipeline Masters on Oahu - covered from the air (helicopter), in-water, and long lens on land.

We love Maui! We've shot on every part of the island - but not yet with RED. If you have ideas for some RED production on Maui, PM me at my RED User box and we'll talk story and figure out some cool stuff. Right about this time of year is when we've always come to the Islands - and we're itching to go. My REDs aren't exhausted, they don't go anywhere I don't go - and the same will be true of my Epic and Scarlet cameras :)

BTW - the windscreens look very cool
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Awesome !, I'm stoked to be a new member of this forum and can't wait to own one of the cams in the RED family. I do have a production that will take place on Maui ( my first feature film ) but that won't be for a while.. I'll be posting more on this project later via YouTube name : "MyfirstMotionPicture" and site name myfirstmotionpicture.com at the moment they are both non-existent but will surely come to fruition via RED images from concept to completion.. When the time is right I will definitely be seeking some pro's and am sure this is the best place to start ! Thanks for the kind words. Maui is a great place to live, love, work, create and complete.. Many Aloha's !
 
With my Scarlet 8x fixed I will do everythng but mostly documentaries.
 
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