Was Jinnimag Thread Removed?

[Phil Holland]

I love you guys and I'm likely going to organize a game a dodgeball for a few of us to hurl inflated rubber spheres instead of insults, but let's try not to go back to the island.

 

[Jiri Vrozina]

Who is Habib? Is that some Czech or Slovak putdown, that I'm not aware of?
I just explained to you, that among many things, USA lacks the necessary infrastructure to produce modern consumer electronics. Production of some parts are outright impossible in USA, as that production will never pass the existing OSHA and environmental rules. China doesn't have too worry about the impact on the environment, as much as West does. That's why Paris accord was a joke.
Have you heard of rare earth metals? Not long time ago USA produced the majority of those metals, but now close to 90 percent is produced in China, because the process of turning ore into metal is extremely toxic and it became impossible to produce those metals in US. Without those metals it is impossible produce pretty much any electronic devices.
Do you still think this is JP Morgan bullshit?
And what does any of this have to do with JinnyMag?
And why am I arguing with you? Nedáváš smysl

Yes i heard of rare earth MINERALS..They happen to be in Down Under and Mongolia as well.
It is all about profit margins.
OMG he discovered Google Translator. Hahaha
Sorry mate, keep it, i am from Sydney..

To prove my point about profit margin.
RED Management could have chosen better grade media for their $50k cameras, not a bottom of pile domestic one.
I have no problem with cost of recording media but if i was PH or RD i would like to use class 1 industrial/pro grade drives with Cooks and Ranger cameras. I leave it at that....PROFIT MARGINS.

 

[Todd S]

Reduser.net feature request:
Ignore function for an entire thread. Or maybe Thread Visibility in Thread Tools.:nopity:

 

[jake blackstone]

Yes i heard of rare earth MINERALS..They happen to be in Down Under and Mongolia as well.
It is all about profit margins.
OMG he discovered Google Translator. Hahaha
Sorry mate, keep it, i am from Sydney..

To prove my point about profit margin.
RED Management could have chosen better grade media for their $50k cameras, not a bottom of pile domestic one.
I have no problem with cost of recording media but if i was PH or RD i would like to use class 1 industrial/pro grade drives with Cooks and Ranger cameras. I leave it at that....PROFIT MARGINS.

After living in Prague and working at Barrandov, I pretty much have no need for the Google translator. It also may come as a shock to you, but some people may know more than one language, but still, thank you for the tip, Habib...
As I already mentioned, there is plenty of rare earth minerals in US and we used to be the world leader in the production, but it's not enough to just want it, it's a matter of financial sense. Nowadays, the toxicity of the process makes this proposition a loser from the financial point of view, unless it's strictly for the needs of national defense. But in that case, no one cares about the profit.
Anyway, regardless of your tantrums, the fact is there are still very few places in the world, that make financial sense to produce consumer electronics and US is not the one, sorry Habib...
Red camera is not a consumer electronic device, it's a hand assembled professional platform, requiring huge R&D investment. As such, all parts for Red camera can be sourced in Asia, flown to US and assembled, all at a tidy profit. The same would never work for a consumer device, like an iPhone.

 

[Steve Sherrick]

Phil, dodgeball seems like a kind of fun idea actually. Picturing a bunch of grills going, some friendly shop talk. Forums lack that human interaction sometimes.

I think next steps here would be for those who see RED's media as lacking technically or not priced appropriately that you make suggestions on how they can improve. We'll have to assume that they are listening to this feedback as long as it stays within the realm of constructive criticism and doesn't veer off into personal attacks or attempts to damage the brand.

I stand by my statements that the RED media has been reliable for me. The price has been hefty. The only time it seems cheap is when I think about what it cost me for film stock. Suddenly $3-4k for something that can be used many times rather than once seems reasonable in that context. But, when you start looking at other types of media at similar capacity for a lot less money, it's natural to question how much you're paying. I think naturally, RED is going to make some adjustments here. I would hope that in no way, shape, or form that leads to less reliable media. I think they should consider being a bit more open about the components, the decisions behind the components, etc. Unless they go completely off the shelf cards like CFast. But even then, endorse the cards you know work the best, provide ample information about those cards and why they are being endorsed. Unless something is so proprietary you can't risk giving away the state secrets, make the info available, avoid conspiracy theories. RED needs to be a shining light in the industry, not a dark, mysterious company they sometimes get portrayed as, fairly or unfairly.

I suppose for the time being this topic probably has been beaten to death. I hope that if another video drops from Jinnimag, there's a different approach, one that focuses on informative content, that stays away from insults and brand trashing. In the meantime, I encourage everyone to take some deep breaths, enjoy the summer, and let's see what RED's plans are as they move forward towards DSMC3 and other endeavors.