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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

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Todays update from our site:

We are making quite a bit of progress on the system. The big time sink has been the controller, receiver, and motor driver. After all the problems with the original design we went with an entirely new (more powerful) architecture from the previous Impero design and put MANY protections in place to prevent inadvertent damage by batteries/ESD etc. Additionally everything has been designed to pass FCC and CE testing which we have scheduled to happen in August. The motors are 80% done, there are functioning test units but we still have a few more components that need to manufactured on the lathe. I'm trying to get a video together for you guys but I want to have everything packed up nicely instead of having a bundle of wires on the table moving the motor back and forth.

One thing I would like to some feedback from the community is regarding the encoder. We are using a 12-bit (1024 line) encoder that gives an enormous amount of resolution on the output. We went down this path to allow us to limit the motor range to a very small throw while maintaining the resolution necessary to map that range out to a full 360 degree turn of the control knob. It would come in handy for use on short throw lenses and some 3D applications. The problem is that all the other motor manufacturers use 11-bit (512 line) encoders by default due to the resolution available in 16mm motor form factors. This resolution difference means that when our motor is used on a Preston or C-Motion system it will appear to be twice as slow as a motor using an 11-bit encoder. At our current stage of development I hesitate to change things so my plan is to go forward with the 12-bit design and offer a resolution reducer box at some point that can take the 12-bit encoder signals and drop them down to 11, 10, or 8 bit outputs. The other option is to have the other controller companies modify their firmware to give the end user an option to select different encoder resolutions.

Additionally we are making the Impero mini controller and Impero-Pro controller at the same time as a lot of the components are the same on the hardware and software side of things. The mini controller is plastic and does not require much labor on our side thus assembly takes no time at all. The pro controller is billet aluminum and has many more machined components and sensor boards. If the pro controller takes much longer then we may opt to give existing customers a free Impero mini controller to get the systems shipping then follow up with shipping out the pro controllers when they're completed.

-Curt
 
Hi Curt,

Nice to hear from you on this forum. I would say that you should carry on as long as you think you can offer a resolution reducer at some point. Personally I would only be interested in the pro controller and think that wasting your guys time with trying to accommodate with a free mini controller would be a waste of time. I rather have your time spent on finishing the real deal :)
 
I think that if you set the bar with the 12-bit encoder, your competition will have to follow. If you can offer a better quality product at a lower price, they will have to adjust. Not the other way around.
 
As a Preston owner, I would not consider another manufacturer motor unless it was better than what's offered by Preston. Even if that competition motor was half priced.
In my experience with other motors on the Preston system, there is always a downside to mix and match. For example, the Scorpio Motor linked to the Preston MDR is a little noisier and slower than original Preston motors.
And someone who's ready to spend 25K on a FIZ system won't try to save a few hundred dollars on a different motor knowing the one's from Preston are bulletproof , precise and as strong as the rest of the system.
My advice to you is stay with your design (12bit) , if it's that good, others will follow. Preston and C-Motion are big players and have systems that are the reference in the FIZ field. You have a really steep hill to climb to get into their game. The price point won't be enough to win me. It has to be so reliable I would not consider a back up system.
Cheers,
Frederic
 
I agree with the others - stay with the 12bit encoder. There are always caveats when mixing components between systems. A resolution box at a future date may be an option, but I don't think you should give it a second thought until your system is finished and shipping in quantity, working100%, etc...
 
I say go 12 bit. The 12 bit motors will still work on the other systems just slower, a good options for additional control like iris or maybe 3d depending on the rig.

Go for the Pro controllers skip/delay the minis. My 2cents.

Cheers,
Rich
 
I can see value in the mini controller. I would be happy to get a mini controller if they are ready first, but if that is going to hold up the development of the pro controller forget about the mini controller.

I agree build the system as 12bit and forget the rest. They will probably follow your lead as the added accuracy for short throw lenses will be an issue for them.

Cheers, Tim.
 
Thanks for the feedback guys. I guess 12-bit it is.

Be careful not to confuse resolution with accuracy. A high resolution encoder does not automatically add accuracy to the positioning of the output gear. Slip between the worm and worm gear is a variable that will vary depending on manufacturing tolerances, load and speed. If we are positioning the output then we can resolve to about 5 arc-min on the worm but after the interface to the worm gear the actual position is not locked in at an exact relationship as you might expect.... it will always be a little more or less than theory suggests.
 
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I can see value in the mini controller. I would be happy to get a mini controller if they are ready first, but if that is going to hold up the development of the pro controller forget about the mini controller.

I agree build the system as 12bit and forget the rest. They will probably follow your lead as the added accuracy for short throw lenses will be an issue for them.

Cheers, Tim.

Completely agree
 
** 7/28/11: Upper housings finally finished.
** 7/29/11: Revision 2 of the 12-bit encoder boards arrived... off to the pick & place!.
 
Come on, Michael. . . you're like a kid waiting for Christmas. Don't you know that a watched pot never boils?

:-)

Stephen
 
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