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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Upgrade to mini-mag from redmag for Dragon?

I only have minis so I can't really compare, but do the standard mags get very hot? The minis get smoking hot during use -- hotter than I would call optimal for a solid state device over time. I actually swap out mags sometimes just to give a mag a heat break. I do like the form factor though.
 
We love our many mags we have 3x of them planning on getting one more. I would make the jump over sooner then later.

Jack Allred we are in Pleasent Grove if ever need to source out more mags just let me know.
 
Jarek Zabczynski said:
I hope they release smaller capacity mini-mags. 128GB is the sweet spot for me. I have a 256GB as well and it's nice, but I prefer using my other 128s as much as I can.
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Yes for smaller capacity. I don't like filling the 512 mag for risk reasons. For me a 512 may as well be a 128.
 
Regular Mags here for the very simple fact that we can rent on additional mags if required.

Keeping things simple for owners, renters, production is the key.

Any reason why the new ones were not made into the same form factor and backwards compatible?

Just another point of confusion for the market.
 
Jack Allred said:
I'm sure mini mags perform wonderfully. The problem is with form incompatibility and fragmentation across the red community and rental networks. Sourcing extra mini-mags for rentals can be difficult if you're not in L.A. or NY, and loads of people in production aren't aware there are two different, incompatible, types of redmag media. I've seen lots of logistical problems arise from this "pointless fragmentation". I wish RED had waited to introduce mini-mags until there was a practical reason to change the format.

Regardless, if you are buying a new dragon, and you are going to get (4) 512gb mini-mags, and you don't ever rent, or need to rent your gear, mini-mags look like a great option. On the other hand, if you already have regular redmags, I don't think there's enough gain to justify the switch unless everyone is asking you for mini-mags. Especially if the rest of your network has regular redmags, and you might want to combine media on certain shoots. I can spend $6000 on plenty of things that will make a noticeable positive impact in my shooting; Mini-mags aren't even on the list of things that will help me get a better image.

Lastly, What are people offloading to that see a noticeable speed increase from the 6G sata connection, let alone an speed increase that is of any value? I don't see data managers offloading to SSDs, so 6g or 3g you're likely not saturating the bandwidth anyway. I offload to (4) 7200rpm HDDs in raid 5 (in the office). I get about 250MB/sec from that array, so my USB3 reader with regular 3g sata redmag isn't the bottleneck.

Didn't mean to be negative with my initial comment. I've been wanting to express my disappointment with this fragmentation for a while. It's not a big issue, but in my opinion a totally unnecessary one that adds to the list confusion/complaints against the red system, while not providing a measurable advantage.

Double Lastly, before someone tells me the extra digit of redcode is the advantage, let me clarify: I don't have a problem with faster redmags. Make faster redmags!... and put them in the standard form that we all have.

On another note, I hope blu-ray gets an upgrade to a disc that is a centimeter smaller. I would for sure jump over to the new format ;)
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I feel this for sure as I also rent and am on shows with multiple cameras often taking advantage of 1 type of redmag. Minis in the mix aren't ideal for these situations. I'm currently using some 1.8' 512's which have speed/capacity and its great to pick them up used. That said, the minis are a very cool product and -the future!
 
Elsie N said:
One comment I remember from Jarred when asked a question that seemed to be about some feature or another of media and his one-word post was "smaller". With M2 format SSDs reaching 1 TB and current M.2 format sticks of PCIe storage @ 512 GBs, I suspect we will have to either repurchase or at the least buy an adapter for still another down size in the future.

Your thoughts?
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They didn't have to make them smaller. They chose to put them in smaller cases because they would fit and because it made them more convenient.
 
My two cents, I think you're fine with either one, but the less compression and more space is good. With a Dragon you'll inevitably be churning though more data so 512 is something you'll have to go with, and you'll probably need two 512 cards. From my experience, the 512 card is similar in amount of time you have to record at max sensor resolution with Dragon as the Epic was at full sensor with the 256.
 
After giving them a few reads this weekend. I really like the mini mags. Yes, I did notice the heat, but they also seem a little more sold build wise. Also the stations have an esata 6G out. Not sure the old style station had a 6G or 3G port.
 
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