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AquaVideo ports

AquaVideo ports

Per Jim Kozmik's post, I can see there may be some confusion on the ports and in particular why the port system caused a delay on Joe Shemesh's housing.

In fact the ports and all of the frontplates were done and in stock (see the picture below. The problem was that Joe ordered the PVC housing with the GLASS dome - a configuration that we had not made before and which required a change to the plate inside the housing that the camera mountplate attaches to to get the proper height.

Since one of the REDUSER's in Australia was also asking how he could accommodate our glass dome to his housing that use the same thread as our STANDARD frontplate, let me explain what is going on with the plates.

First the standard frontplate. If you look at the picture the plates on the left are the standard plates. The stack at the upper left is the plates before they are anodized, and on the upper right is a stack of two plates after anodizing and the top has the six inch dome screwed into it. The large plate on the bottom left is the raw 5/8" thick plate with the threaded hole in it for the port thread. From there, making the plate is simply a matter of bolting the plate to the table and running the program. With the PVC housing (now with a thicker wall tube about the same as the aluminum), if we used the original housing plate made for the thinner tube the lens would sit too high in the dome. Not much of a problem with the standard plate because it would just be a matter of raising the center of the CNC program and running the plate. This method also lets us use the same dome mount and raw plate to make frontplates for other housings like an HVX200, EX1 or whatever.

The glass dome (the two plates on the upper right - one is the plate with the dome it, the other is a stack of six with the top one turned over so you can see the undercuts for the latch clip) is a different beast - because of the small size of the tube it requires those undercuts which means the part has to have one side machined and them flipped over to do the other side which is a much fussier setup. So on the new PVC housings it mean making a new internal mount plate to give the right height, which required some significant CNC setup changes and trial and error to get it right.

The large plate below the glass dome plates is a glass plate as well but it can't be easily used on the normal RED housing because there would be no way to clamp it on easily without the undercuts. We made a half dozen or so to use on other housings - that either would be larger or have the lens/dome closer to the center of the tube.

Although we have stock threaded ports for macro/long lenses, and 6 and 8 inch domes you should also notice another feature of the standard plate: the o-ring groove and tapped holes around the threaded hole. We put that there because once things are set up on the CNC it is pretty easy to run at the same time and it gives a lot of future flexibility. First we can easily make a flat port that attaches there for some of the shorter SLR macro lenses - like the canon 60mm or some of the normal primes if you were doing surface or pool shots. It also means if you have some funky application where you need a special port you would have an easy way of attaching and sealing it since you already have the attachment points and seal.

Here's a direct link to the .pdf brochure for the AquaVideo RED1 housing:
http://www.aquavideo.com/pdfs/RED1HousingBrochure309.pdf
 
Deep Red Shakedown

Deep Red Shakedown

Wanted to let the community know that John at Gates was kind enough to loan me his new prototype Deep Red housing for a shoot I'll be working on with a very tight team in Palau for a nat geo segment "migrations".

...the team will consist of Mark Thorpe, Adam Ravetch, Stewart Mayer--who has a very nice Moko rig that he'll be bringing, and myself johnny friday

We'll be in Micronesia for ten days where we'll have the chance to shoot in many different configurations and situations. We'll be using a variety of lenses such as:
Red: 18-50
Zeiss: 8R & 14
Zeiss 60 macro
Nikon 105 micro

With the Gates gearing solution--very slick---we should have access to all of the gearing on the above lenses. I'll post more as we move along....we're packing tomorrow and doing some in-water tests so you can expect an update at the end of the day.

for any updates and posts you can go to this web blog:

http://groups.google.com/group/deep-red-gates
 
We'll be using a variety of lenses such as:
Red: 18-50
Zeiss: 8R & 14
...

How are you going to adjust for different entrance pupil position in respect to optical nodal point for the dome when using different lenses?
 
How are you going to adjust for different entrance pupil position in respect to optical nodal point for the dome when using different lenses?
I had my appendix removed when I was 12 so that shouldn't be a problem.......:)

Oops, I shouldn't be here
:ph34r:
 
How are you going to adjust for different entrance pupil position in respect to optical nodal point for the dome when using different lenses?

18-50 and 14mm & 8r are nearly same in physical dimensions and we'll be discovering exactly that. Don't really expect any problems with the 18-50, 14 & 8r...the questionable lens is the nikon 105.
 
How are you going to adjust for different entrance pupil position in respect to optical nodal point for the dome when using different lenses?


The short answer is: he isn't. Port extenders are not ready yet for the anything but 18-50, but soon. Johnny wanted to try anyway. It will be a good test to see how much EP shift can be tolerated by the lenses.

FYI I have EP locations for Arri lenses (ultra primes, master primes) Cooke S4's and expect soon Anginieux. I'm measuring some Nikon this weekend.

Thanks to Johnny, Mark, Adam and Stewart. There's nothing like a good 'shakedown' to find things that need improvement.

John
 
Thanks again Mike,I will call you next week to finalize my new Aquavideo housing order..we will go with the 6 inch dome for the 18-50 and the birger Canon 10-50 mount ,,I will have to order this Berger mount as well I guest...plus 1 100 ft of surface feed cable and second rear plate for this as well for the film industry shoots...kozzzz
 
The short answer is: he isn't. Port extenders are not ready yet for the anything but 18-50, but soon. Johnny wanted to try anyway. It will be a good test to see how much EP shift can be tolerated by the lenses.

FYI I have EP locations for Arri lenses (ultra primes, master primes) Cooke S4's and expect soon Anginieux. I'm measuring some Nikon this weekend.

Thanks to Johnny, Mark, Adam and Stewart. There's nothing like a good 'shakedown' to find things that need improvement.

John
Looking forward to getting my hands on the product John. Just gearing up to welcome the rest of the crew into Palau, I've been here for two days already getting geared up for the project. Am sure we will hit the sweet spots with the plan and equipment we have set up.

Watch this space.
Mark
 
Could someone please explain a little more about the principle of entrance pupil position and how it effects image quality in relation to various domes, and how to test for the ideal position?
(please excuse me if I have missed a previous post about this)

thanks,
Amund
 
I no what a Sony 900 HD camera and Amphibico housing leases for a day,week and month but have not considered what a Aquavideo.red one kit would go for a day, week and month rental at Hd rental house..anybody out their have some quotes on their units.thank kozzzzz
 
I no what a Sony 900 HD camera and Amphibico housing leases for a day,week and month but have not considered what a Aquavideo.red one kit would go for a day, week and month rental at Hd rental house..anybody out their have some quotes on their units.thank kozzzzz

My standard quote has been $550/day $1900/week
 
Thanks for your quote..they seem to be higher on the west coast..I will phone you for my Aquavideo order on Monday March 9th.thanks again.....kozzzzz
 
Deep red

Deep red

Quick update:
Deep Red has been performing admirably. In fact some great shots using the 18-50 (which I never expected).....using it as a macro lens and number 2 diopter. The 14mm zeiss has been the every day lens though for establishing shots and basic scenic shots.

It's really nice to have full control of all of our lenses with the adjustable gearing. Some minor setbacks have been camera overheating inside of the housing---in 88f water.

A host of minor issues, but all and all Deep Red has been a workhorse on our shoot.

we're camped out on the island and I'm only back for supplies this morning...so I'll post more on reduser and the google group with photos and our opinions.
 
Controller for Birger mount and other motors

Controller for Birger mount and other motors

Here's a shot of the circuit board for controlling focus and iris (and future zoom) on the the birger Canon EOS mount. We also expect to be able to work with the viewfactor impero motors once Curt at Viewfactor gets a chance to help us with commands.

In Birger mode it draws power from the mount. It can also be powered externally for other uses.

It can also control Sony and Canon LANC cameras via a very small secondary circuit.

In the works is simultaneous control of two cameras/lens mounts for 3D work.

If RED will open up communication and receive control commands we could also pretty easily setup camera functions like frame rates, shutter angles and the like. Any help the bubble blowers could provide in convincing RED that this a useful and needed capability would help.

Firmware and software work this week and hopefully testing next week.
 
Here are two VERY interesting postings I found on Wet Pixel!

#1

The UNDERWATER Red One Boot Camp is May 4-10, 2009 and it is being hosted by Pro Dive (Fort Lauderdale)... They are bringing in Red Ones, housings and instructors from both the US and Latin America. If anyone has their own Red One, but does not own a housing, with enough lead time they believe they can arrange for one at a modest rental price.

Additionally, Red One users who are not divers can come out the week or two prior and get certified. They can even arrange for the course to be a bit more rigorous than the usual recreational certification (they call it the Diamond Open Water Certification). I personally would recommend getting certified and doing at least another 1/2 dozen dives before taking the Bootcamp (It is important to have your bouyancy control nailed!). I checked their charter schedule and it is possible to get 4-6 dives per day 7 days a week.

To get the first announcement and updates go to ProDiveUSA.com and register for the newsletter. I will see you there!

P

#2

Hi all,

Just to let you know that I am currently in Palau on a shoot and that we have four RED One cameras and three housings from different manufacturers. Am shooting for an LA based concern and as such part of our plan was to write up a report on the field experiences with prototype housings from:

Gates
AquaVideo
AquaVideo / Element Technica

The report should be done in a few days as a .pdf so will see about posting that somewhere for readers here.

Cheers,
Mark.



I am new and the only way I found this group was by doing a search for the word "Underwater". How do I get access to and read the bubble blow'n user group threads?
 
I am new and the only way I found this group was by doing a search for the word "Underwater". How do I get access to and read the bubble blow'n user group threads?

I think you already joined REDUSER which is the first step. The second step is just to go back to the beginning page and read 1100 or so posts.:biggrin:
 
Thread Tools

Thread Tools

Here are two VERY interesting postings I found on Wet Pixel!

#1

The UNDERWATER Red One Boot Camp is May 4-10, 2009 and it is being hosted by Pro Dive (Fort Lauderdale)... They are bringing in Red Ones, housings and instructors from both the US and Latin America. If anyone has their own Red One, but does not own a housing, with enough lead time they believe they can arrange for one at a modest rental price.

Additionally, Red One users who are not divers can come out the week or two prior and get certified. They can even arrange for the course to be a bit more rigorous than the usual recreational certification (they call it the Diamond Open Water Certification). I personally would recommend getting certified and doing at least another 1/2 dozen dives before taking the Bootcamp (It is important to have your bouyancy control nailed!). I checked their charter schedule and it is possible to get 4-6 dives per day 7 days a week.

To get the first announcement and updates go to ProDiveUSA.com and register for the newsletter. I will see you there!

P

#2

Hi all,

Just to let you know that I am currently in Palau on a shoot and that we have four RED One cameras and three housings from different manufacturers. Am shooting for an LA based concern and as such part of our plan was to write up a report on the field experiences with prototype housings from:

Gates
AquaVideo
AquaVideo / Element Technica

The report should be done in a few days as a .pdf so will see about posting that somewhere for readers here.

Cheers,
Mark.



I am new and the only way I found this group was by doing a search for the word "Underwater". How do I get access to and read the bubble blow'n user group threads?

Go to Thread Tools and subscribe to this thread, check instant email notification and you'll get an email when it's updated.

Are you in Florida??

Frazier Nivens, Ocean Imaging
 
Tokina 11 - 16/F2.8 with PL mount and gears

Tokina 11 - 16/F2.8 with PL mount and gears

Found this over in the lens test section:


Prototype of PL Remounted Tokina 11-16 f2.8, Manual Iris.


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The Good News:
The lens is well built, holds focus over it's 1.4x zoom range
very little breathing, very little image shift when racked.
Sharp, Low distortion, good field illumination, good flare resistance.

The Not Exactly Good but not too bad:

The modified Iris change very fast - not much rotation. It would be quite expensive and complicated to fix this. Not really enough space to mark every stop... It's not a big problem for the Red, you can easily get it exactly to the stop you desire.
Nikon Focus direction ( backwards from most other lenses )

It's up at Chez Duclos getting it's gears and then will be anodized black.

It might be possible to make more of them. Price is TBD, still trying to figure it out, should be below $3,250. It could go down substantially with larger quantities.

How much interest is there in this ? It's probably going to be a one shot deal so if you're interested this is the chance.

Matt Uhry
www.mattuhry.com
 
Red One Bootcamp

Red One Bootcamp

Just in case anyone is interested in learning to shoot with a Red One underwater, I just found this on Wetpixel... It is an excerpt from the ProDiveUSA.com newsletter. The price is $1,895 and the deposit to hold a slot is $600.



RED ONE is Coming!

BE ONE with RED ONE™
Pro Dive will play host to the World's First RED ONE™ Underwater Video Boot Camp!

This is your chance to get your hands on the latest technology in the video and film industry.

Mark your calendar for May 4 - 10, 2009 and join us for the ultimate Spring season event.

Stay tuned for more details.
 
RED ONE Delivers underwater BIG TIME!

RED ONE Delivers underwater BIG TIME!

The call came in late on a Thursday afternoon from the National Geographic Channel Migrations series team, "You are greenlit for Palau."
Less than 10 days later a crew of 5 departed with 30 cases from LAX including 4 RED ONE cameras and three underwater housings for Jelly Fish Lake.

The assignment, tell the story of the jelly fish migration like never before.

My first call was to the very talented filmmaker Adam Ravetch, Producer/Director of Arctic Tale, to direct this segment followed by a call to Mark Thorpe and John Friday to operate RED ONE 4K underwater.

Our team landed on the lake 3 days after departure and did not leave the island for 10 days and nights...brutal is to kind a word.
Success is also to humble a word for the results this talented team obtained.

The relentless effort of 20 hour days diving day and night will not be soon forgotten by those that endured the challenge. The RED ONE cameras delivered flawlessly.

Everything we built and put into the field was a prototype including the DEEP RED housing from Gates and the custom time lapse housing from SL Cine (Dual brick batteries running three hours of UW time lapse). Everything worked. DEEP RED was a work horse delivering heretofore unseen images of this spectacle. The custom housing from Joe Ortega of SL Cine designed to shoot extended time lapse was also a key player in telling this original story. Our third housing was an Aquavideo housing.

I just want to take a moment and publicly recognize the amazing effort of this talented team. Shooting day and night in 4K including time lapse and most of it underwater is a tall order.

I too am looking forward to the article Mark and Johnny are composing. The evaluation of three RED ONE cameras in three different housings used as tools on a client shoot and essential to the challenge.

The Jelly Fish Lake segment will air in 2010 on the National Geographic Channel's four hour original series MIGRATIONS.

K

Correction- Joe Ortega of SL Cine built the custom time lapse housing for this shoot - not Element Technica.

Pic#1 Cases curbside at LAX
Pic#2 Director Adam Ravetch
Pic#3 L to R - RED Underwater Digital Artists Mark Thorpe, John Friday and Ken Corben
Pc#4 John Friday checking Deep Red pre-dive
Pic#5 Ken Corben remebering to remove the lens cap
 
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