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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Two Weeks... Change is COMING!!

Jay A. Kelley said:
You know, I spent some time with Avid...Composer is kind of cool. The locked up codec and forcing me to use their capture card is a part I am not wild about though.
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DNxHD codec isn't locked - it is free to download for Win & Mac (no purchase required). It's awesome. It supports 10 bit properly. And alpha channels. And it has a highly-compressed mode for offlines.

Agree, capture card forcing sucks. But with Red that isn't too big a problem - I'm not capturing anything analog. When outputting to HD tape (which I do rarely), I just take the Avid project to a post house which has the decks I need. Quite frankly I'm sick of paying $700/day for a HD deck rental and then fighting stupid FCP bugs and coming scarily close to needing the deck an extra day. A week ago I hit a Kona / FCP output bug that was listed as an issue in *VERSION 4* of FCP. They haven't fixed it yet?!? Have had similar problems with Blackmagic.

How is Premiere with HD decks + output? Is it truly rock-solid?

RE: Premiere, can it output decent OMFs yet? That seems essential to me if you're doing professional projects (eg ones going to a sound mix). Horror stories from that (plus the amount of errors I hit on Premiere 6, plus IMHO inferior interface, features, speed and responsiveness to Avid) is the main thing keeping me away.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
Premiere has SERIOUS limitations when it comes to sound, which is why I am looking at the Avid. If they supported Cineform I would be in heaven.

I am hopeful that CS4 will improve some things, but I doubt it.

No matter what system you choose, you give up something.. Frustrating.

Jay
 
karapetkov said:
What about Audition for sound?

Or an application like Cakewalk SONAR or CuBase?
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Karapetkov, I've used Cool Edit (what Adobe now calls Audition) since 1997. You would be mad to mix a film in it if you had access to even Pro Tools LE.

Also, bear in mind you'll want to do your final mix on a decent sound system. Unless you want to spend $10,000 on speakers, amps, etc, you'll probably be doing that out-of-house.

The place you do it at will use Pro Tools. Now, your main cost is how many hours you are spending there. Chances are, if you use Pro Tools at home and can give them a well-organized Pro Tools project, it'll be easier for them to mix it in less time. So you will save money.

Now why do you want to use SONAR or Cubase, again?

Sorry if this is OT, but to me sound considerations are very important in my choice of editing software.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
One thing I worry about it is, if you have your whole workflow set up with Premiere/Cineform, etc, and you are working on anything other than your own projects, are people going to even want to deal with you and your non-Mac files? Can a PC even fit into a show's overall workflow?

Do most post houses and editors support and work with Cineform files?

How does AE fit into all this?

I think RED did us a disservice by linking themselves so closely with Mac early on, because it has had a snowball effect on the post situation.
 
The problem I have is that I use a Cantar X2 for my sound work. So I need an editing system that can read the timecode off of my Cantar Sound Files and match them with the Video files from RED.

Final Cut can do this, Avid can do this.... Premiere... Not so much.

Pro-tools is the standard, no doubt about it there.. It's something I should think about.

Jay
 
Tom said:
One thing I worry about it is, if you have your whole workflow set up with Premiere/Cineform, etc, and you are working on anything other than your own projects, are people going to even want to deal with you and your non-Mac files? Can a PC even fit into a show's overall workflow?

Do most post houses and editors support and work with Cineform files?

How does AE fit into all this?
I think RED did us a disservice by linking themselves so closely with Mac early on, because it has had a snowball effect on the post situation.
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I have spoken to Taylor about this. To READ Cineform files, and to even edit them is a FREE thing. They go to the cineform site, download the decoder, and they can read and view everything you have.. The TRICK is that if they wish to render back out, they will need to use a codec in their system.

Now for a real-world experience: I offered this to a client last week and they said "no, just send me Quicktimes in an animation format". So much for THAT theroy.

Bottom line, they don't want something they've never heard of or used. Now that said it was real easy to load all files into after effects. Do my color correction using an adjustment layer, then stagger the files one after another, and hit render. Came back next morning, and 30 min of footage was ready to go.

Could be worse
 
Tom said:
One thing I worry about it is, if you have your whole workflow set up with Premiere/Cineform, etc, and you are working on anything other than your own projects, are people going to even want to deal with you and your non-Mac files? Can a PC even fit into a show's overall workflow?

Do most post houses and editors support and work with Cineform files?

How does AE fit into all this?

I think RED did us a disservice by linking themselves so closely with Mac early on, because it has had a snowball effect on the post situation.
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Regarding the Cineform files anyone can download the free NEO decoder and carry on working with Cineform media as per normal MAC or PC, MOV or AVI, any resolution no restriction.

EDIT: Jay beat me to it while I was typing.
 
karapetkov said:
Hey, we amateurs have rights too. :angry03:
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You forgot to post the top half...

Thor Wixom said:
Go to FreshDV.com and watch the 3ware video from NAB.

Watch it all the way through, past the commercial in the middle.

That's realtime 4k and 2k in the background... on a PC... in Premiere.
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And I bet you haven't watched the video yet. :)

(Too bad there's no emoticon with a tongue in a cheek!)

-Thor
 
Jay A. Kelley said:
I have spoken to Taylor about this. To READ Cineform files, and to even edit them is a FREE thing. They go to the cineform site, download the decoder, and they can read and view everything you have.. The TRICK is that if they wish to render back out, they will need to use a codec in their system.

Now for a real-world experience: I offered this to a client last week and they said "no, just send me Quicktimes in an animation format". So much for THAT theroy.

Bottom line, they don't want something they've never heard of or used. Now that said it was real easy to load all files into after effects. Do my color correction using an adjustment layer, then stagger the files one after another, and hit render. Came back next morning, and 30 min of footage was ready to go.

Could be worse
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Yeah, I mean, I guess you could just hand over JPEG200 or Photo JPEG or Animation quicktime files at 2K or 1080 or whatever. But my guess is that a lot of people who work on Red projects on Macs would prefer prores or red raw files to work with. I don't know.
 
Bruce Allen said:
Karapetkov, I've used Cool Edit (what Adobe now calls Audition) since 1997. You would be mad to mix a film in it if you had access to even Pro Tools LE.

Also, bear in mind you'll want to do your final mix on a decent sound system. Unless you want to spend $10,000 on speakers, amps, etc, you'll probably be doing that out-of-house.

The place you do it at will use Pro Tools. Now, your main cost is how many hours you are spending there. Chances are, if you use Pro Tools at home and can give them a well-organized Pro Tools project, it'll be easier for them to mix it in less time. So you will save money.

Now why do you want to use SONAR or Cubase, again?

Sorry if this is OT, but to me sound considerations are very important in my choice of editing software.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
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The reason could sound lame, but...

My father [musician] uses SONAR for his work, so I thought that I could use what we already have [and not spend more for another app :)].

I'm familiar with the app and I read about it being used for film stuff [not music, for the sound design].

And so... economical reasons. :construction:

I've never used Pro Tools, but I have heard from many people that it's the real pro tool. Haha. :)

You're right. I will probably be going to finish things out-of-the-house.
 
I've heard that Avid is talking to Cineform.

Now that is a rumor. It is a rumor I'd like to believe!

I mean Avid uses Direct Show codecs and it desperately needs a 2k and 4k codec. Hmm I wonder who has one available, and when SDK is available will be able to transcode RAW files directly to said codec?

That would be a dream my friends and would instantly make Avid a player in this whole Red Drama.

Chris
 
angeleye said:
I've heard that Avid is talking to Cineform.

Now that is a rumor. It is a rumor I'd like to believe!

I mean Avid uses Direct Show codecs and it desperately needs a 2k and 4k codec. Hmm I wonder who has one available, and when SDK is available will be able to transcode RAW files directly to said codec?

That would be a dream my friends and would instantly make Avid a player in this whole Red Drama.

Chris
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This would be nice to see.
 
karapetkov said:
I've never used Pro Tools, but I have heard from many people that it's the real pro tool. Haha. :)
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have a look to pyramix from merging technologies:
http://www.merging.com/

sorry couldn't resist to advertise small company that are doing great product. Our sound studio use pyramix with vcube and I don't think pro tools is better.

ciao,
antoine.
 
Thor Wixom said:
Go to FreshDV.com and watch the 3ware video from NAB.

Watch it all the way through, past the commercial in the middle.

That's realtime 4k and 2k in the background... on a PC... in Premiere.

Too bad PCs aren't real computers, and Premiere is only for high school students and amateurs.

I guess the pros will have to wait longer than 8 days.

-Thor
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Aha :).

OK, now. I found a way to watch the vid.

Sorry, Thor. :)

300 MB\s. sustained speed?!!! :w00t:
 
angeleye said:
I've heard that Avid is talking to Cineform.

Now that is a rumor. It is a rumor I'd like to believe!

I mean Avid uses Direct Show codecs and it desperately needs a 2k and 4k codec. Hmm I wonder who has one available, and when SDK is available will be able to transcode RAW files directly to said codec?

That would be a dream my friends and would instantly make Avid a player in this whole Red Drama.

Chris
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If Avid supported Cineform, I'd have Avid in 24 hours.

No sh*t.

Jay
 
It's going to be fun watching "Mt. JayAKelly" blow it's top when the SDK is surprisingly delayed.
 
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