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The Update Thread

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Arri's range has a single sensor- name designations primarily relate to functionality/codec options. As such for a Producer an ARRI is an ARRI is an ARRI give or take codec or highspeed framerate- it all gives the same look/result to the same lens choice.

I appreciate the explanation of Red's terminology guys- I have and/or (had) all of them. Re- read some of your "it's simple" posts and imagine you're reading that for the first time...

Daily I have discussions with production staff about ARRI, Canon, Sony, Red cameras. I can assure you the most confusion relates to Red. We have a combination of body type/ sensor/resolution/frame rate/compression/mount type / media type for high speed etc to address in a naming structure that has absolutely no logic.

Naming structure/ brand strands is surely one of the easiest things to address in light of the amazing leaps in technology that Red is making.

Unfortunately we're having to deal with an abscure, non linear, non sensical terminology that in a sea of digital change has everyone reaching for the Alexa life raft (again).

I know this is too late now- everything is already set - I just wish it wasn't so ad-hoc.
 
Looking forward to seeing how quickly I get my Scarlet-W after everyone jumps to the Epic-W :P
 
Tom Dowler said:
The clients not understanding is *an advantage*. That way you can bamboozle them with science and tack 10% onto the price :)
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This from the guy who chastised anyone "gaming the system" by ordering a Scarlet W just for the purpose of getting an Epic W at a $10,000 discount to the new price? '-)
 
Jeff Brown said:
Arri's range has a single sensor- name designations primarily relate to functionality/codec options. As such for a Producer an ARRI is an ARRI is an ARRI give or take codec or highspeed framerate- it all gives the same look/result to the same lens choice.

I appreciate the explanation of Red's terminology guys- I have and/or (had) all of them. Re- read some of your "it's simple" posts and imagine you're reading that for the first time...

Daily I have discussions with production staff about ARRI, Canon, Sony, Red cameras. I can assure you the most confusion relates to Red. We have a combination of body type/ sensor/resolution/frame rate/compression/mount type / media type for high speed etc to address in a naming structure that has absolutely no logic.

Naming structure/ brand strands is surely one of the easiest things to address in light of the amazing leaps in technology that Red is making.

Unfortunately we're having to deal with an abscure, non linear, non sensical terminology that in a sea of digital change has everyone reaching for the Alexa life raft (again).

I know this is too late now- everything is already set - I just wish it wasn't so ad-hoc.
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Maybe they could stamp the different lines with an AKA name to go along with the current naming convention.
 
Jarred Land said:
That is what October 11th is for.

Not much of an "announcement day" now that I did a commendable job of not keeping my mouth shut.. it will be more of a "recap and execute" day.
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What time of day should we all be looking out for? :drool:
 
i really like the naming convention, and especially with interchangeable sensors in the Epic W it makes perfect sense. Besides, it is their company and Red will name things however they think is best, just because they are so friendly on this forum, let us not forget that we are the guests. I live in a world of high tech products and have been blown away with just how clever my Scarlet W is as a working products in modular form, they can call it anything they want. It is so clearly amazing.
 
Jarred Land said:
Brent is so overwhelmed by roses and chocolates and whiskey and life-sized teddy bears he can't see even see his computer screen anymore.

So job well done all... Operation/Distraction #ILoveBrent was a complete success :)
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WOOHOO!!!!!
 
who cares what the camera ends up being called.
It's gonna be kick ass either way. and as long as we know what it is.
 
Elsie N said:
This from the guy who chastised anyone "gaming the system" by ordering a Scarlet W just for the purpose of getting an Epic W at a $10,000 discount to the new price? '-)
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Yup. Double-standards all the way. :)
 
Jarred - If you can swap from Helium to Dragon, what would a "case" be that you would want to swap from a Helium to a Dragon sensor? What does the Dragon do that the Helium doesn't?
 
The dragon sensor is slightly bigger overall, and bigger at each resolution which is important for higher frame rates. It also doesn't seem to be substantially lower dynamic range and is happier in well lit situations (like daylight exeriors).



Jarred or Brent, you can admit your camera names are getting a little wonky. Just because there's 13 alexas doesn't mean red should follow arri with their own esoteric list of camera names.
 
Here's an attempt at summing up the upgrade paths, not sure how helpful it is -

All MX sensor Camera's (RED One, Scarlet/Epic MX, registered owners only - requires camera trade-in)
to Epic-W (order Epic-W on Oct-11 - $19950USD Total)
to Weapon CF 6K Dragon (????)
to Weapon CF 8K Helium (????)

Scarlet Dragon (Requires camera trade-in)
to Epic-W (order Epic-W on Oct-11 - $1????USD Total)
to Weapon CF 6K Dragon (current trade-in upgrade path applies - $49500USD Total)
to Weapon CF 8K Helium (????)

Epic Dragon (Requires camera trade-in)
to Epic-W (order Epic-W on Oct-11 - $14500USD Total)
to Weapon CF 6K Dragon (current trade-in upgrade path applies - $49500USD Total)
to Weapon CF 8K Helium (order on Oct-11 - $34500USD Total)

Raven (already delivered, requires camera trade-in)
to Epic-W (order Epic-W upgrade on Oct-11 - $?????USD Total)

Raven (deposit paid)
to Scarlet-W (change existing Raven order to Scarlet-W order - $?????USD Total)
to Epic-W (change existing Raven order to Epic-W order on Oct-11 - $?????USD Total)
to Weapon CF 6K Dragon (????)
to Weapon CF 8K helium (????)

Scarlet-W (already delivered)
to Epic-W (order Epic-W on Oct-11 - $10000USD Total)
to Weapon CF 6K Dragon (????)
to Weapon CF 8K Helium (Order on Oct-11 - $34000 approx. after trade-in)

Scarlet-W (deposit paid)
to Epic-W (order Epic-W on Oct-11 - $19950USD Total)
to Weapon CF 6K Dragon (????)
to Weapon CF 8K Helium (????)

Scarlet-W (Scarlet Dragon Owners Package deposit paid)
to Epic-W (no direct upgrade, order new Scarlet-W before Oct-11, then order Epic-w on Oct-11 - $19950USD Total)
to Weapon CF 6K Dragon (????)
to Weapon CF 8K Helium (????)

Weapon MG
to Epic-W (order Epic-W between Oct-11 & Dec-31 - $9500USD Total)
to Weapon CF 6K Dragon (order anytime after Oct-11 - $?????USD Total)
to Weapon CF 8K Helium (order anytime after Oct-11 - $15000USD Total)

Weapon CF 6K
to Weapon CF 8K Helium (order anytime after Oct-11 - $???? Total)

Weapon CF 6K (VV deposit paid)
to Weapon CF 8K Helium (order anytime after Oct-11 - $00000 Total)



There are no upgrade paths to get to Raven or Scarlet-W camera's (except for limited Raven to Scarlet-W deposit holder swaps), only to get Epic-W or Weapon CF camera's.

Weapon MG camera's are discontinued.

All Epic-W upgrades are for Epic-W brain only, no packages.

Deposit amounts required for new upgrades unknown.
 
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