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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

The Update Thread

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Jarred Land said:
It's important to think about the future just as much as you think about the past.
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This is huge! If that is in fact the case, jesus you guys are incredible! Well played Jarred! Well played!
 
Stephen Lovett said:
Is it OK for a grown man to make a "squee" sound when he reads something?

This hints at even more awesomeness.
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A disturbance in the force, as if a bunch of weirdos all went "squeee" in unison!
 
Jarred Land said:
That is sort of a different question than Scarlet-W vs Epic-W, more like a film stock question.

Epic-W ( and Weapon helium ) both have the luxury of you making that choice down the road. After we catch up with Dragon sensor production you will be able to make that choice after the fact by just paying for a sensor swap. So Epic-W can pay to change to a Dragon sensor, and Weapon Helium can pay to change to a Weapon Dragon, just by change of the sensor.

That is why we don't write Dragon or Helium on the side of those cameras. And those sensor upgrades is a path that Scarlet-W and Raven cannot take.
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Sorry, either I've misunderstood things, or I simply don't understand that point (sorry Jarred!). I though Weapon was the latest, better sensor of the two? Changing to a Dragon would appear to me to be a backward step to an older sensor? What would be the benefits of somebody going from an Epic Weapon to Epic Dragon? Sorry if it's a stupid question, I just don't understand that?

Rich
 
Strange that the Epic-W has the option to go to a Dragon sensor... Are there benefits to this (more horsepower in the Epic-W maybe allowing for higher frame rates)?
 
Richard Kynaston said:
Sorry, either I've misunderstood things, or I simply don't understand that point (sorry Jarred!). I though Weapon was the latest, better sensor of the two? Changing to a Dragon would appear to me to be a backward step to an older sensor? What would be the benefits of somebody going from an Epic Weapon to Epic Dragon? Sorry if it's a stupid question, I just don't understand that?

Rich
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You would keep your body, so Epic-W, for example, but swap the sensor out, so you can have a Dragon sensor in your Epic-W body. From that cryptic reply, seems like the Dragon 8K VV, but I may just be looking too far into that.
 
Sorry Jarred and Brent, my vinous gifts went to my rep Patrick Corcoran and John Chang. Not that you guys don't deserve the love, they just saved me a few weeks back on a rush part. Shared the wealth and all that......
 
Richard Kynaston said:
Sorry, either I've misunderstood things, or I simply don't understand that point (sorry Jarred!). I though Weapon was the latest, better sensor of the two? Changing to a Dragon would appear to me to be a backward step to an older sensor? What would be the benefits of somebody going from an Epic Weapon to Epic Dragon? Sorry if it's a stupid question, I just don't understand that?
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There are TWO current sensors: Dragon and Helium. Helium is newer and has more resolution (8K vs. 6K) but each sensor has advantages.
Weapon is more of a body name referring to the new DSMC2 chassis. Epic, Scarlet, etc... those are all just LEVEL names or something like that. Epic will always be better than Scarlet, if they share the same basic body type.

That's how I see it all anyway.
 
And there MAY be another sensor sometime down the line that you might want in your Epic-W. Something, say, Monochrome. or larger pixel density, or something entirely different.
 
Adam Montville said:
You would keep your body, so Epic-W, for example, but swap the sensor out, so you can have a Dragon sensor in your Epic-W body. From that cryptic reply, seems like the Dragon 8K VV, but I may just be looking too far into that.
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oohhhhhh shiiiit

I bet you're right. They have an upgrade path to Dragon 8K VV.
 
As someone somewhere else mooted, we may be looking down the line at Hydrogen, which takes the Helium science and applies it to Dragon-esque pixel density.

I reckon that's the future Jarred is talking about.
 
Or crystal-balling into Helium VV?!?
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Craig Lees
ED & SX UK
FD SSC & Lomo Anamorphic Lens Sets
 
Andy Roberts said:
There are TWO current sensors: Dragon and Helium. Helium is newer and has more resolution (8K vs. 6K) but each sensor has advantages.
Weapon is more of a body name referring to the new DSMC2 chassis. Epic, Scarlet, etc... those are all just LEVEL names or something like that. Epic will always be better than Scarlet, if they share the same basic body type.

That's how I see it all anyway.
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Aarrrggghhh!! Thanks Andy, this is all so confusing. I love RED, I love the openness, the advance technology, the interaction with key people on here, but the naming concepts just confuse the hell out of me! DSMC2 I understand. And I get the Raven, Scarlett, Epic bit, but then we get weapon which seems to confuse it all - my head hurts!

So coming back to topic, what we are saying is that although there are advantages to both, Weapon is the newer sensor, but given Jarreds cryptic comment, both could continue to be developed alongside each other? But Epic Weapon, has the helium 8k sensor in it, just not the horsepower of the the Weapon helium 8K? Am I Right?

Thanks for being with the explanations guys.

Rich
 
441 pages in- someone please start a recap thread!!!!!!!!!

And please for the love of God sort out the camera terminology! Why is is it Epic -W or Scarlet -W? These are body types associated to a body type. Call them Epic-D and Epic -H , Weapon D+VV, Weapon H etc to differentiate sensor. None of this makes sense.

I was there when Red was a category on DVXUser and I've got 11 Red cameras here. I'm really, really struggling to work out your product line and I can tell you now - the rental market will find it infinetly more troublesome. They'll ponder, question and then shoot Alexa Mini, 8K or no.

Sorry to piss on the parade but this is a major and should be sorted before shipping.

Long term fan, pragmatist, businessman.

Cheers
 
Richard Kynaston said:
Aarrrggghhh!! Thanks Andy, this is all so confusing. I love RED, I love the openness, the advance technology, the interaction with key people on here, but the naming concepts just confuse the hell out of me! DSMC2 I understand. And I get the Raven, Scarlett, Epic bit, but then we get weapon which seems to confuse it all - my head hurts!

So coming back to topic, what we are saying is that although there are advantages to both, Weapon is the newer sensor, but given Jarreds cryptic comment, both could continue to be developed alongside each other? But Epic Weapon, has the helium 8k sensor in it, just not the horsepower of the the Weapon helium 8K? Am I Right?

Thanks for being with the explanations guys.

Rich
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Epic weapon is not a thing. It's Epic-W. Weapon is the top of the line in each sensor line.
 
Then what does the W in -W stand for?

Craig Lees
ED & SX UK
FD SSC & Lomo Anamorphic Lens Sets
 
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