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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

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Thanks Jim for being forthright. It amazes me how often people can forget that we live in a real world. For those that have a quam about a this new product being developed it is important they realize that no one has been forced or begged to purchase a RED. But, to the contrary we as film and digital cinema users have begged for this camera to be developed at this price point. In a few months Jim you will once again laugh openly at those who can only see two feet in front of their own face. "The difference between one with a vision and one who is dreaming is that the visionary is awake and the dreamer is still asleep." (ELK)
From the evidence presented to us as redusers and soon to be red one operators it is safe to say that TEAM RED has been infused with visionaries that are endued with the ability to bring to fruition what many have only dared to dream. I propose a toast. To all the sacrifices made by TEAM RED: the sleepless nights, the endless slights that you endure to bring us more, that we may tell a timeless tale, our everlasting elixir, RED has allowed many of us to create a new motion picture. To TEAM RED and all the REDUSERS who patiently wait. A little corny but I mean it. Thanks again TEAM RED.
 
The RED footage looks a lot better than anything you can shoot with film, because it's a lot cleaner. If you want grain you can add that in post, it's really not that difficult, you can basically do whatever you want to footage in post, including adding a bleach bypass effect with digital just like you can with film, only it's a heck of a lot easier to manipulate if it's digital footage than if it's film.

The reason I say digital is vastly superior to film is because of its greater flexibility. The quality itself is better, I think, but obviously not that much better, however when you compare cost and ease of workflow then there is really no comparison.

The people who are loyal to film and only want to shoot in film will eventually retire and/or die, and the people who are at the front of the digital revolution will take over. That's how a lot of these revolutions have to take place, because those in power are too used to doing what they've always done.
 
Jay A. Kelley said:
You know, I'm pretty sure I could write a full paragraph on Genital Herpes and someone on here would find a way to dovetail it into a digital vs. film debate!

:)

Jay
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Hi. I have digital. But she doesn't. I take digitrex daily to keep it that way. A recent study found that many people who don't even have Red yet have given digital to their partners who had film and were digital free.
 
Jonathan,

You're ready. You've got a much better start than most of us had. You've got partners, one with money and a good business sense - probably the most valuable of the three, one with computer skills and you - and you have seed money.

You guys are primed and ready. Just go for it and don't look back. Your willingness to ask for help is a sign of maturity and will serve you well.

As a writer one thing that would help, as someone who commented earlier, break up your post text into paragraphs so it is easier to read. You have a lot to say and should be heard - so make it easier for people to help you by making your posts easier to read.

I think you're on the right track. Make sure you and your partners have a good solid relationship and understand the equity relationship you all have in the company. When you're not making any money it's easy... It's when you're making money that ambiguities start to be a problem.

Good luck and keep asking questions. Remember you're going to to eventually stand on the shoulders of great people who have come before you... just step carefully and respectfully when you setp up and you'll make it.

aloha,

Keith
 
Come on guys. Is this the new film bashing forum? It's postings like these that make people think that the Red followers are ignorant and bitter. I can't believe you'd actually use that terrible trilogy of Lucas' to make your statement that digital is better than film. I'm getting a Red. I shoot a lot of digital, Cine Alta and Varicam. I know their benifits, but i'd be lying if I said I'd rather shoot with those cameras instead of film. Film is more expensive in certain respects, but it is much better than anything Sony or Panasonic has to offer. The Red should be an amazing camera. Nobody can argue that. but you have to remember that as a DP you should embrace all formats or else you're no better than all the Red bashers that you despise.
 
Ok Michael said what he wanted.. Jim said what he wanted.. We all chimed in, everyone has made nice nice.. And now we're onto a subject that is not the title of this thread.

I vote this thread is closing time.. Anyone 2nd?

Jay
 
I third it. Everything that needs to be said has been said... mods please lock it... please!

M
 
JonathanLB said:
My film school, or rather previous film school, the LAFS, did not put any reservations on the RED. Because of numerous problems with the school, including a complete lack of focus on quality equipment and new technology, I dropped from the school with my two business partners today.
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Heh...a lot of film schools are apparently exactly the same way. After working as a broadcast cameraman for 20 years or so (and having done my first on-air work in 1971), I decided to go back to college about 7 years ago and get a BA in film production. I'd just backflipped a motorcycle and broken my arm in 14 places and I figured that while I was recovering (I had to learn to use the arm again) I'd get that film degree I'd always talked about getting. BTW, this is an X-ray of the arm:

http://home.comcast.net/~jackson.robert.r/MyArm.jpg

I live in Santa Rosa and I'd always been a fan of the experimental film work that came out of San Francisco State back in the 60's and 70's, so I went there. A few months later I was editing my first student film on a Steenbeck with a malfunctioning drive and a screen that intermittently cut out. I tried to get it fixed, but I was told that if I officially reported it as broken they'd have to shut that edit suite down indefinitely while they decided if repairs fell within their budget. And that I'd be subject to disciplinary action if I tried to fix it myself. SO...I had to have friends stand guard in the halls while I took it apart. Then the screening room for finals has a 16mm projector with a dozen or so mechanically interlocked audio gangs and every one of them had tensioning issues that broke the mag as soon as it was started. Several splices later, we eventually got it running, but the audio wasn't in synch with the film.

Most people I've talked to have similar stories from film school, though. I'm not even completely sure it matters. The most useful things I learned from my years at SFSU weren't related to practical production matters. Of course, I already had years of production experience from television so that wasn't really what I was there to learn, anyway. The history and theory I got out of the program and being able to hash out things with people who had experience in the industry were a lot more valuable than learning a new way to light a scene.

And yeah, a lot of those people had bad career experiences in L.A. that sent them running to a classroom in Northern California. You kinda have to sift through the bitter I-screwed-up-so-the-industry-sucks guys. We had one agent from CAA who came in and told us his career had destroyed two marriages and he missed seeing his kids grow up and for the love of all that's holy please don't do this with your lives. And of course, the department head worked for ten years on a Talented Mr. Ripley project starring Barry Pepper as Ripley that's still never been released, even though he ran HBO films for a decade and managed to get people like Willem Dafoe, Claire Forlani and Tom Wilkinson to star in his film. Great movie, BTW. Really entertaining. I'd love to see it actually get a release.

Uh...so...was there a point? You're gonna learn your own way of dealing with the practicalities on-set. Part of it will be how things are done where you work, especially if you're young. Changing how anything is done around a room full of older guys who are used to doing it one way will always be a tough one. More than likely it will see you finding a new place to work rather than changing the way they work. And you'll discover things that work for you in a way that will only make sense to you. I'm not sure you can learn any of that in a classroom. Professors frequently tend to be like those old guys who don't want to see things done any way other than the way they learned to do it in '75. You've gotta learn the crafts of the Stealth Rebel. ;-)
 
Jay A. Kelley said:
I vote this thread is closing time.. Anyone 2nd?

Jay
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or else all you folks who are voting to lock it, could just stop reading it! there's a novel idea...

jim is working on a self-imposed deadline. he stumbled. BFD. i mean, we are all supposed to be video producers, fer cryin' out loud, people who make their livings meeting deadlines, which sometimes we hit and sometimes something comes along (disk crash, bad weather, sick actor, camera malfunction, operator malfunction...you pick) that makes us (oooo shocker!) miss a deadline!!! and it's a good thing for most of us that we don't have a public message board parsing our every move for our mis-steps. very few among us could hold up under that scrutiny.

i don't think jim has done anything to merit this micro-scrutiny of his integrity. he had some setbacks which he described to us in detail unparalleled by a start-up company. big whup.
 
I second !
Aloha
-A
 
I think the reason people wouldn't mind this one getting locked up is not that they don't wish to read about the topics raised...it's just that this thread has spilt into many topics. I dare say that a couple of the larger rants should perhaps have been their own thread since they were pretty tangential to the original thread but had their own valid points of view.
 
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