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The Gentleman's Underwater Bubble Blower Thread

DEMA 2013,

I covered the event for UnderwaterCinema.com on Saturday, and got to meet a few people and look around a bit. I will do a bigger write up for the site but, in general, what a lackluster affair really. The diving industry continues to spiral downwards I think, gear looks the same across all brands, designs are the same from 20 years ago, with some newer lighter, more colorful materials but all the same stuff otherwise. Diving resorts are still throwing big money at enticing divers to visit but the truth is, less and less divers are getting certified every year, despite PADI's efforts to allow anyone to dive with little or no instruction, and traveling in general has become such a hassle that veteran divers travel less and less. Not to mention the fact that a week of diving anywhere is still a very expensive proposition in an ever worsening economy. I don't think the dive certification, gear sale and dive travel business will ever go back to its heyday, despite whatever claims of growth some operators may make. In the end, less and less people are interested in a hobby that actually requires them to get off their chairs and where, horror, they cannot use their i-pads or pause to send and receive text messages. The newer generation does not relish adventure and exploration, certainly not if it requires actual physical effort, and they would rather spend all that money on stuff that makes their lives easier (i.e; can be accessed via touch screen), not harder. Diving is a thrill of the past, as are many other things we hold dear. Things, and people, are different now. Fact.

Imaging wise, I got to meet some people I've corresponded with for a long time, and it was great. I've been talking to John Ellerbrock for years now, and I finally put a face to the name, as well as his trusty sidekick Pamela Mertz, and other people at Gates. I had read the book, watched the movie and bought the t-shirt, but I finally got to meet the legend himself, Johnny Friday, one amazing guy. Michael Maes I got to see for 2 minutes after emailing weekly with him for almost a year, and it was enough to corroborate my feelings about him being a good, down to earth, no BS kind of dude. Frazier Nivens, always pushing the boundaries without making much fuss about it, the only person on the floor showing 4K content out of his Redray onto the Seiki display, as well as HD on vertical displays. The good old Mike Hastings and his trademark yellow submarines...Didn't see Tom or Jim Killion, soon I'm sure.

Housings for the newer cameras were there, and for the most part, they look good. Some design and fabrication philosophies have remained unchanged even after the advent of newer CNC technologies and 3D printing, and that is a shame, but as they say, it is hard to teach an old dog new tricks. Some other things are new and refreshing and undoubtedly are steps towards a better direction. In general, I got a feeling that the underwater imaging community as a whole, from the stalwarts to the newcomers, is a resilient group that is determined to continue threading water to survive, so that we may continue bringing back images from our favorite world. Never have we experienced more unfavorable odds that now, with the oceans dying at an alarming rate, producers spending less and less money on our stuff and audiences tastes shifting away towards more mundane fare, yet we persevere. And that is good. For those who feel at times that we're alone in fighting to make a viable a living, even a respectable one, out of showcasing the marvels of the blue realm: we're not alone, there are plenty more out there fighting the same battle. And that is good.
 
thanks for the report, rudi (:

for my part i am planning on getting certified soon-ish, in the meantime i love what you guys are doing, true environmental activists - the lot of ye, so anything i can do to help topside just say the word... it really is awesome what you guys work on and it's better for the world if you document it - who knows how it will be in 5, 10, 20 years? very worrisome situation in our waters :/
 
Hello Tehben,

There are several Gates customers with kit for hire around the US, and their services as well:

http://www.gateshousings.com/housings/rental-video-housings/

As pointed out in the other thread, it is highly recommended that you hire an experienced underwater cameraman with their own kit. Frazier Nivens (w/Aquavideo) and Rudi Castinyeri (DEEP RED) are both in Florida and active on this forum. Mike Hastings (owner of AquaVideo) is there, too.

Lastly, if you can't arrange a hire from one of my customers, we have a kit available here at Gates.

J-
Thanks John.
 
Hello Tehben,

There are several Gates customers with kit for hire around the US, and their services as well:

http://www.gateshousings.com/housings/rental-video-housings/

As pointed out in the other thread, it is highly recommended that you hire an experienced underwater cameraman with their own kit. Frazier Nivens (w/Aquavideo) and Rudi Castinyeri (DEEP RED) are both in Florida and active on this forum. Mike Hastings (owner of AquaVideo) is there, too.

Lastly, if you can't arrange a hire from one of my customers, we have a kit available here at Gates.

J-

Thanks, John

One of the good/bad things about this business is you can't even get mad at your competitors! ;-)

I've known most of the other housing makers for years and they are all good people that try to do their best for everyone and treat them with respect - including their competitors.
 
DEMA 2013,

I covered the event for UnderwaterCinema.com on Saturday, and got to meet a few people and look around a bit. I will do a bigger write up for the site but, in general, what a lackluster affair really. The diving industry continues to spiral downwards I think, gear looks the same across all brands, designs are the same from 20 years ago, with some newer lighter, more colorful materials but all the same stuff otherwise. Diving resorts are still throwing big money at enticing divers to visit but the truth is, less and less divers are getting certified every year, despite PADI's efforts to allow anyone to dive with little or no instruction, and traveling in general has become such a hassle that veteran divers travel less and less. Not to mention the fact that a week of diving anywhere is still a very expensive proposition in an ever worsening economy. I don't think the dive certification, gear sale and dive travel business will ever go back to its heyday, despite whatever claims of growth some operators may make. In the end, less and less people are interested in a hobby that actually requires them to get off their chairs and where, horror, they cannot use their i-pads or pause to send and receive text messages. The newer generation does not relish adventure and exploration, certainly not if it requires actual physical effort, and they would rather spend all that money on stuff that makes their lives easier (i.e; can be accessed via touch screen), not harder. Diving is a thrill of the past, as are many other things we hold dear. Things, and people, are different now. Fact.

Imaging wise, I got to meet some people I've corresponded with for a long time, and it was great. I've been talking to John Ellerbrock for years now, and I finally put a face to the name, as well as his trusty sidekick Pamela Mertz, and other people at Gates. I had read the book, watched the movie and bought the t-shirt, but I finally got to meet the legend himself, Johnny Friday, one amazing guy. Michael Maes I got to see for 2 minutes after emailing weekly with him for almost a year, and it was enough to corroborate my feelings about him being a good, down to earth, no BS kind of dude. Frazier Nivens, always pushing the boundaries without making much fuss about it, the only person on the floor showing 4K content out of his Redray onto the Seiki display, as well as HD on vertical displays. The good old Mike Hastings and his trademark yellow submarines...Didn't see Tom or Jim Killion, soon I'm sure.

Housings for the newer cameras were there, and for the most part, they look good. Some design and fabrication philosophies have remained unchanged even after the advent of newer CNC technologies and 3D printing, and that is a shame, but as they say, it is hard to teach an old dog new tricks. Some other things are new and refreshing and undoubtedly are steps towards a better direction. In general, I got a feeling that the underwater imaging community as a whole, from the stalwarts to the newcomers, is a resilient group that is determined to continue threading water to survive, so that we may continue bringing back images from our favorite world. Never have we experienced more unfavorable odds that now, with the oceans dying at an alarming rate, producers spending less and less money on our stuff and audiences tastes shifting away towards more mundane fare, yet we persevere. And that is good. For those who feel at times that we're alone in fighting to make a viable a living, even a respectable one, out of showcasing the marvels of the blue realm: we're not alone, there are plenty more out there fighting the same battle. And that is good.

Classic Castineyra, one does not come to this this thread for empty accolade, rather, brutally honest truth. So different from what I see on other threads here.

I count myself very fortunate to be countenanced by the masters of the trade, microscopically so, no matter the outcome; once judged, the only way forward, is better.

Frazier, next year at DEMA, I will not offer Starbucks, I will be doling out shots of really good Tequila. It's in Las Vegas, how appropriate is that :wink5:
 
Adding around two stops more of light and with a lower noise floor, the Dragon sensor has got to be an exciting addition to everyone's kit. Has anyone tested Dragon UW yet?

For me it is still the lack of light a problem bigger than the magenta color. I'm not usually able to shoot deeper than 30 meters at ISO 800 or lower.


HDRx? Had anybody used this option for extended dynamic range when the situation calls for it…from 2 to 6 stops over native by preset???
 
Adding around two stops more of light and with a lower noise floor, the Dragon sensor has got to be an exciting addition to everyone's kit. Has anyone tested Dragon UW yet?

Not until the magenta issue has been solved. Current solutions have a 2 to 4 stop light loss, which turns a Dragon back into an Epic, not really a good thing underwater, where light is at a premium.

Great minds at work on the problem Will, standby for news.
 
Gentlemen,

I am in an interesting position right now where I could become a content aggregator. An aggregator is a provider of content that deals directly with content buyers such as Netflix, Amazon, etc. Those companies deal exclusively with aggregators and not with individuals, which is why is so hard sometimes to sell your stuff unless you are associated with an aggregator. I have just finalized the sale of a few of my materials, new and old, directly to one of the content buyers and they were so happy with the material they suggested I become a purveyor of similar material and present it to them for future acquisitions as an aggregator. It would have to be underwater stuff, short and long form documentaries, single pieces or series, or alternatively it could be environmentally based if not underwater.

My question is, do any of you out there have any material you have made or are working on that you want to sell? I need to test the waters and see if there is enough content to provide as an initial offer to the buyers before I get into this game which requires quite a lot of work on my part. But at the same time, I have a very high profile buyer who has opened their doors to me and would like to take advantage of that opportunity on behalf of other fellow underwater film makers even if I myself have nothing to sell at the moment. I like the idea of a dedicated underwater content provider, but in truth, is there enough material out there?
 
From DEMA straight to Tiger Beach.
Emma says 'Hi' to all!
No magenta issues here ;-)
Cheers!

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Not until the magenta issue has been solved. Current solutions have a 2 to 4 stop light loss, which turns a Dragon back into an Epic, not really a good thing underwater, where light is at a premium.

Great minds at work on the problem Will, standby for news.
Hey Tom,
Which solutions do you have in mind?
Pawel's solution is not "the RED way" and he doesn't want to sell it if you don't have his housing.
So, sorry to say but, currently there is no solution at all. (far from I'm afraid)

Dragon has not been tested yet underwater. Graeme first wants to fix Epic-MX and then move over to Dragon.
That's where it seems to stand until now.

Next week I'll test two more filters and hope they will bring salvation....

FYI and FWIW: the filters I have tested until now (backed by Rudi and Graeme) have hardly any loss of stops.
But..... they do not solve the issue.... yet.... eh-oh!

Personally I would give an arm and a legg to find a solution if it has a heavy loss of f-stops, thus turning Dragon back into Epic.
At least then you have an Epic which can shoot in any water :-))
Cheers,

Michael
 
Hey Michael,

That's a great Tiger shot, would love to see the video.

Yes, was referring to Pawel's (alleged) solution. As that is clearly not forthcoming, you are the man of the hour, please let us know how it all goes.
 
Not until the magenta issue has been solved. Current solutions have a 2 to 4 stop light loss, which turns a Dragon back into an Epic, not really a good thing underwater, where light is at a premium.

Great minds at work on the problem Will, standby for news.

If it is primarily a UV issue, there won't necessarily be any significant light loss in the visible spectrum we need.

Also, at least on the Caribbean side of the world, I have had more problems with having too much light rather than not enough. Stopping down too far causes loss of resolution due to diffraction limiting - negating our high res sensor.
 
HDRx? Had anybody used this option for extended dynamic range when the situation calls for it…from 2 to 6 stops over native by preset???

little bit tricky to post (and setup, i assume) underwater. you won't get a monitor feed preview of the highlight protection, unfortunately, but if you are able to control your aperture stop it down to set your highlights and then count it back open - however many stops you went pick that number - otherwise 4 is a good guessing point or maybe up to 6 if you're really peering into some shadowy areas AND looking at direct light from the surface. if you know what's involved for combining the tracks after you shoot you'll have a greater shot at success, so play around with that stuff and test it before you shoot in whatever software you know how to use, otherwise you may wanna look at some plugins or programs to learn, or just hand a shot or two off to somebody who has them and knows how to process it.

Not until the magenta issue has been solved.

you mean the one that's easily corrected for or something i don't know about?
 
Paul,

No offense whatsoever, but you seem to have dipped your nose in way too many places all at once (every thread I read lately usually has your name on it as last poster :-) to come here and casually expect a quick update about this issue of magenta tinting/ cross color contamination that we've been talking about for the last 50-60 pages. It is a severe issue that renders the MX sensor basically useless under a variety of underwater conditions. If it is really a subject that interests you, may I suggest that you read back on the thread and you'll get an understanding on the issue.

Michael, your second shot does show a bit of magenta, although nothing compared to what we've been dealing with, you must be in heaven, actually being able to get usable images from your Epic for a change.

And wow, no takers on the offer to help generate sales for work that may be sitting collecting dust...I guess that's what the market really is...
 
:thumb_postwhore:
thanks for the advice.

...anyone mind answering or pointing me somewhere? i'd love to help. i think it's a super-simple fix if i'm thinkin what y'all are thinkin about...
 
:thumb_postwhore: thanks for the advice. ...anyone mind answering or pointing me somewhere? i'd love to help. i think it's a super-simple fix if i'm thinkin what y'all are thinkin about...
Paul, the magenta issue was discussed in some detail earlier on this thread, then went to a private discussion via e-mails when RED got involved. When it was being discussed in public here, it was quickly established, through the efforts of some of the most experienced underwater cinematographers on the planet, that it was not just a simple fix that was needed. One of the guys who used to post here said he'd solved the problem after spending thousands of dollars doing his own testing, but then, in one of the most spectacular examples of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory I've ever seen, he was hoist on his own poitard when he tried to play hardball with RED over sharing the results. Since then, RED, including Graeme himself, along with the help of some experts from the underwater community, have been working behind the scenes to come up with their own solution. So, no harm asking about it I guess, was curious myself, but maybe it's just best to let them get on with it and just wait and see what they come up with?


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And in a desperate effort to get back on topic, a Scarlet-X frame-grab I captured recently, that maybe some of the guys here can relate to.:smiley:


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oopsies. reading back a bit, apparently i've missed a lot... people getting banned, thread almost shut down... so, what else is new?

don't mind me... just floating on by (:

 
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