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The best $5,750 you can spend [updated]

Brook, thanks for posting this. Your review means a lot. Like everyone else, I would love to see some before/after shots comparing the M and the MX.

The differences are most obvious in shots done side by side with both M and M/X cameras. As Brook explained, the primary differences are in noise (the most significant difference, IMHO) and in usable dynamic range (also related to noise, which is why I consider the noise improvement the single most significant factor). There were a few scenes done in the "Shameless" pilot that involved night exteriors that were shot with both cameras. That's where the differences are very, very clear. In terms of "making obsolescence obsolete," I would have to say that to a large extent, the M/X is so clearly better than the M that it will ultimately make the original M obsolete for most users. It is indeed difficult to go back to the M full time after using the M/X, something Jimmy quickly discovered.

Disclaimer: I've seen the "Shameless" footage through my connection with Next Element Studios in Burbank, where the show is being posted (as was "Southland"). The footage was observed both using Red's tools (Redcine-X in this case) and a special one-off beta build of Baselight (which will be used for the final finishing). Interestingly (and properly), using the same basic settings in both Redcine-X and the Baselight build produced identical results, as it should.
 
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I'll have direct DR/noise comparisons for the M and MX sensors later today. It'll be chart stuff, but just a little.

I have some "walk around" footage of a very colorful Staples Center at various exposures. I'll put something together from that.

I have some other bits and pieces of footage that I'll be able to post relatively soon.
 
Thanks Brook, we all know you're busy and this means a lot. I'm stoked to see more MX footage!
 
hi,
one question relating to shooting with MX.

with the M i usually set the cam to 320 ASA, WB to 5000 and then work everything as good as i can towards these numbers,
at day, i use some ND Filters, which works great, at night i use daylight lighting with lil filtering (1/4 CTO)...this worked pretty good for me.

How about the MX?
at daylight?--are you just setting down the ASA to 100 or are you now using heavy ND Filtering...(the sensor should be around 800 ASA asfaik)
at night/tungsten: use a 80 c filter like with the M Sensor or tungsten light and setting the cam to 3200 is enough.

better: What is the native Colortemperature of the mx sensor, is it also 5000 kelvin?
and is it like: it doesnt make a difference anymore what the native colortemp of the sensor is, so just dial in 3200 and you are good or are you using the same principles like with the M Sensor ( using 80 C or daylight lights for night shootings?)

hope you can understand what i try to ask :)
 
I'm caught in between upgrading to the EPIC or MX sensor? What do some users have in mind? I know the Epic hasn't been released and we don't know as much as we do such as the Red.

-Lighter
-more FPS
-5k

Just trying to balance it out...
 
I'm caught in between upgrading to the EPIC or MX sensor? What do some users have in mind? I know the Epic hasn't been released and we don't know as much as we do such as the Red.

-Lighter
-more FPS
-5k

Just trying to balance it out...

If it is a financial decision, the question is whether or not you can make $5K more with your R1 M-X camera before you can get your hands on an EPIC. If you can (or don't care about the money- only the image)... then upgrade.

Jim
 
We are def going to upgrade our red ones, based on the reset time alone, but out of curiosity i'd luv to see these chart tests your doing brook with the m and mx debayered the same, both with flut and redcolor, not with the m using the old redspace etc.

Thanks for your time posting mx info brook!
 
If it is a financial decision, the question is whether or not you can make $5K more with your R1 M-X camera before you can get your hands on an EPIC. If you can (or don't care about the money- only the image)... then upgrade.

Jim

It also depends if you plan to keep your R1x and add an Epic to your business.
 
Hey Brook - when you can I'd love to see those night shots of my home town. I have some I'd love to compare them to.

Thanks for the info.
 
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Don't get too excited yet, guys... the TIFFs will be a while. Gotta remember the FTP password.

Hoffman [change it to your real name!], I won't be able to upload those city shots because they belong to John Wells Productions/Warner Brothers/Showtime.

I do have some personal tests overlooking Chicago from the same vantage point, but since it was with Jarred's camera and preproduction firmware, I do not want to post them and give people the wrong idea.
 
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Did chart tests with the cameras - uncompressed TIFFs are uploading now. JPEG previews posted at the head of the thread.

Thanks for this amazing test Brook!

The results are really unbelievable. I was hoping for a dynamic range of somewhere close to 11 stops but what i am seeing is more like 13!!!!!
 
Great test Brook!

At first I was shocked. once I took a close look at the details, it is about what I expected and about what Red has been saying about performance.

The blacks are massively cleaner!
 
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Trust me guys, forget about the JPEGs. I found the frame I goofed on - I'm fixing it now.

I will need mirrors for these files, I don't know how long my bandwidth will last with 120MB files.
 
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