Surprise...?

[Joel Kaye]

Appleinsider and Ipodobserver are news sites that report on Apple products... they do not offer services or product, or Apple would shut them down in a heartbeat.

Yeah, I'm on your side that anything trying to imply an association with you guys would be wrong.

Looks like ScarletInsider.com or RedObserver.com could start up a blog or community and be OK. Just like DVXuser uses a uniquely Panasonic name,right? It's just people offering production, rental or repair that need to avoid RED, correct?

 

[Steven Caesare]

Man... the users on this board can be asshats at times.

If you keep it up, just maybe you can ruin one of the most unique company/public relationships ever seen.

 

[Cam Crowley]

Jarred -

You could always pull down the site for one week - throw up a banner - "absence makes the heart grow fonder" -

or better yet ... "back when you all can behave respectfully"

what am I talking about - you'd get slammed anyway ...

I second this motion. Take it down for a week or two and maybe use that time to do a bit of housekeeping. Reduser has become a bit of a beast to deal with - especially in the last 6 months. I have been on here since day1 - I read a lot and don't post much because I'd rather not clog these boards any more crap opinions than they already are. And YES, this is a direct swipe at some of you (and a NON-swipe at the people who actually contribute valuable posts).

Reduser has a wealth of information on here. In fact it has become the most active and useful resource on cinematography on the web in the space of 18 months. But to be quite honest with you, trawling through the shit that is sometimes posted on here is becoming a full time business and I do not blame Jim or Jarred for being pissed.

So anyway - to the RED team. I really love my camera, in fact you could even call me a satisfied customer - to paraphrase the words of the great John Cleese - "you should have me stuffed" !!!

Cheers

Cam

 

[number6]

Jim should hire a double who answers every post with "I see your point" or "We'll look in to that" or "Good idea, wait for it". You know, standard business stuff.

 

[Joel Kaye]

Jim should hire a double who answers every post with "I see your point" or "We'll look in to that" or "Good idea, wait for it". You know, standard business stuff.

Good idea, I see your point. Probably worth trashing this thread or just deleting all the off topic stuff.

I know of one board where announcements are made in an announcement forum and those posts are closed after the first post. Might help at RedUser. That way the rabble could discuss elsewhere and keep the good news thread properly pristine. 'Cause let's face it, 4.5k is damn good news and it sucks to see it diluted.

 

[number6]

Good idea, I see your point.

Jim? Is that you Jim?

 

[Joel Kaye]

Jim? Is that you Jim?

Right, Jannard's Jekyll and I'm Hyde. No man, don't even joke about it. I've got a ton of respect for that guy. He's got balls of steel to throw the bones on a gamble like RED and has had to put up with some serious bullshit.

The entire RED team deserve a technical achievement Oscar and I believe they'll get it.

I've said it before - this company is going to be a college case study for a long time.

 

[Tico Llaurador]

His second time off. When the natives get restless, the chief takes a break. And I don't blame him.

That's exactly why this is so bizarre. There really was no reason whatsoever for the natives to get restless. If there ever was a time when things were looking up, it'd be now.

Or have I missed something?

:umm:

 

[number6]

Everyone is taking Jim's absence WAYYYY too personal. If you will check the calendar you will notice that Friday is the Fourth of July. And if you could look at Jim's personal calendar you would have seen that he penciled in some outing (probably to a drag race somewhere) way back in May or possibly even April. He is just yanking your chain about being driven away. If no one had posted nonsense (yeah, like that was ever in doubt) then he would have had a shill post nonsense so he could say "Allright! That does it! I'm outa here!"

At least that's the way I would have done it.

edit: (It's a good thing this camera works with low light because there are some pretty dim bulbs on this forum)

 

[Tico Llaurador]

Methinks you're right Number 6, look at what our RED home office insider just picked up. Seems like Jim and Jarred just left the office for a "break."

 

[number6]

Methinks you're right Number 6, look at what our RED home office insider just picked up. Seems like Jim and Jarred just left the office for a "break."

Proof if ever I saw it!

 

[Casey Green]

Jarred,

Don't forget - for every 1 person criticizing news from RED, there are 100 thanking and commending you guys.

What is constantly given to us is not forgotten.

 

[Axel Mertes]

Ribbing would of been one post.. but then you spewed out 2 more backing up your original post..

I am not laughing... we take our brand identity very seriously, and will defend it with everything necessary.

Jarred,

I totally understand your point. Our company name was choosen after having about 1000 other options created to choose from. We opted for something unique, not apparent in the web (not easy nowadays). Still you can find almost perfect entries that lead to what "Magna Mana" is when searching the web, few misleading findings...

Don't try that with RED or Apple...

BMW was pushed down by Google for using "illegal" (in terms of Google rules) methods to raise there search entry results on Google for "BMW" as some other companies managed to be ABOVE BMW itself on web searches.

Another drastic example is german Telekom. They use a magente "T...." symbolics. They actually patented the color "Magenta" for advertising use! Worldwide! They sue everyone who uses pure Magenta as "company color". in advertising. Worldwide...

I am not sure if the color "RED" has already been patented, who knows...?

I think its a creative business. And finding a unique outstanding company name is not an easy task in global business, but with some creativity in mind you find something, for sure. And riding another poeples horse is never fair, so I totally understand the RED arguments, however, RED itself is not necessarily free of getting sued by others who might have used "RED" for something similar earlier than 199x (when RED was actually created according to some records I found).

I wish everyone a successful business.

And for the records:

There had been a long lasting sticky post about "RED Ninijas are not affiliated with RED". Who did not understand the message there has not done his homework, IMHO...

It was expectable and - with all respect of everybody who is involved on this, both sides - is a legally clear situation. That there is co-benefit is one site, but a company wants control over its own reputation. Thats one of the reason why running this forum is somewhat risky, but not having it would mean it creates itself "without control" as an open service at Yahoo or Creative Cow or elsewhere. Having the forum "within RED" is surely giving RED slightly more control over its officially seen reputation.

Just my thoughts on this,

Axel

 

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

Was this EVF de-squeeze thing announced in the original specs for the camera?

 

[James T Mather]

No - not as far as I am aware - but considering all that has already been implemented it seemed possible. A classic case of the guys (Red) generally exceeding expectations means we (the consumers) occasionally come to expect everything is possible if we ask often enough. (In a roundabout way it's a compliment to the company).

Looks like a transvideo Ana desqueeze box or a carrion monitor is on the shopping list.

 

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

Well, if good external options are available and if this wasn't a part of the original specs promised, the ranting is a bit too much, me thinks.

Yeah, I too want to go to the moon, but...

 

[Steven-Marc C.]

This new option is fantastic. Can't wait to use it. Getting 2.40 footage without having to crop in post is also really nice. I'm sure it will be used A LOT on shorts and the like. Kids love that scope-like format!

 

[Milan Nikolic]

4.5K it is fantastic. Thanks and continue with good work.

 

[David Birdy]

We were trying to hold off talking about this until the codec errors were completely killed (we think they are with the build coming in a day or two), but there has already been some discussion about this so here you go:

The RED ONE will soon be able to shoot 4.5K, 2.40:1 at 30fps. Expect to see this very soon.

Jim

Thanks Jim & REd Team..... you guys,( And Girls) have the best surprises!!!


Dave

 

[Michael Hastings]

clarity

clarity

I wanted to clear up a possible misconception about my earlier post copied below. What I was trying to say was that I am really excited about 4.5K at 2.4, because I really like the superwide aspect, but I also like the highest resolution when I am shooting difficult to get nature stuff like the shark footage.

I mentioned the codec errors only in that it seemed like we got a few during the easy shoot and then none with the really fast shark action that I thought might be a problem. While they are obviously annoying, I feel like the codec errors are a part of the process that has given us essentially a new camera twice in the last month. So a couple in 2 hours of actual recording wasn't bad at all.

But I realized after reading my post, that it could easily be taken that I was complaining that I wish we had the new codec error-killing build yesterday - when all I meant is I like widescreen!

As far as the single record error (lost maybe a second or two) I was actually very impressed. You have to know how hard the shark hits were. When they are feeding they are pretty worked up and the hit is so quick it is like a 300 pound hammer hitting it. BTW somebody asked if it was CF or HD. It was harddrive and I have to tell you that being able to shoot two dives with over an hour of footage - without opening the housing - at 4K resolution - is awesome!

Jim: Enjoy your INDEPENDENCE DAY break, in some ways RED is making me an independent.

I've had a movie concept for almost 10 years, where I have thought that I could generate some investment interest by shooting some of the scenes to create a good trailer. Obviously it involves a lot of underwater, and through AquaVideo I have a network of very talented customers/friends that would chip in at low/no cost to make it happen. Yet I've never seriously considered doing it because I wanted the full scale movie look and to shoot it on film just wasn't feasible in terms of investing that much cash (college funds and all that:biggrin. Now, I and at least 4 of those friends have REDs and anything is possible. We can pick up some of that really cool footage as we are doing other stuff, like I did Tuesday. Vive the revolution!

We were trying to hold off talking about this until the codec errors were completely killed (we think they are with the build coming in a day or two), but there has already been some discussion about this so here you go:

The RED ONE will soon be able to shoot 4.5K, 2.40:1 at 30fps. Expect to see this very soon.

Jim

This is great news! This would have been nice yesterday.

By the way, we had a few codec errors on Monday (16 3.1.5) shooting swimmers near the surface (3 or 4 in two hours of footage). But then shot over an hour of very fast moving sharks (between 35 to 40 sharks within a 30 foot area with no codec errors. The housing was constantly banged by the sharks, got one quick record fault when one of the sharks bumped it VERY FAST and Very hard twice in quick succession - pretty robust I would say.