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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Surprise...?

jtm said:
No - not as far as I am aware - but considering all that has already been implemented it seemed possible. A classic case of the guys (Red) generally exceeding expectations means we (the consumers) occasionally come to expect everything is possible if we ask often enough. (In a roundabout way it's a compliment to the company).

Looks like a transvideo Ana desqueeze box or a carrion monitor is on the shopping list.
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James,

I think they could implement it, no question, potentially it would be "easy" compared to other features they managed to implement. But Jim said they are running out of space, which seems the currently implemented functionalities start to reach the limits of programmable space on the FPGA's etc. inside the camera electronics.

So if we would require them to make it, we would potentially need to trade for other features, as it sounds. This is surely a bit speculative, but my technical background tells me I am not far from the reality here :)

This all reminds me of that Jim once talked about releasing a video firmware that makes the RED ONE behave a bit like a 1080p camera, with dual link video out etc. So it would be a good alternative to the Viper, but it can not handle all the 4K & RED CODE stuff at the same time, so we would need to decide. In fact, that would not only be a new but also a different camera then.

On the long run it would be - purely theory - thinkable that we end up with many different combinations of features for a "video camera", a "multiple purpose camera" (what we have right now), a "custom mode camera" (what I would wish for), an "anamorphic mode camera" (that includes anamorphic desqueeze) and so on and so on. But in reality this sound pretty inappropriate, as RED would probably not want to support so many different firmware pathes... They would instead try to make the next camera contain a bit more space to solve all those (partially originally) unexpected feature wishes.

Me thinks...

Axel
 
AquaVideoRed206 said:
I wanted to clear up a possible misconception about my earlier post copied below. What I was trying to say was that I am really excited about 4.5K at 2.4, because I really like the superwide aspect, but I also like the highest resolution when I am shooting difficult to get nature stuff like the shark footage.

I mentioned the codec errors only in that it seemed like we got a few during the easy shoot and then none with the really fast shark action that I thought might be a problem. While they are obviously annoying, I feel like the codec errors are a part of the process that has given us essentially a new camera twice in the last month. So a couple in 2 hours of actual recording wasn't bad at all.

But I realized after reading my post, that it could easily be taken that I was complaining that I wish we had the new codec error-killing build yesterday - when all I meant is I like widescreen!

As far as the single record error (lost maybe a second or two) I was actually very impressed. You have to know how hard the shark hits were. When they are feeding they are pretty worked up and the hit is so quick it is like a 300 pound hammer hitting it. BTW somebody asked if it was CF or HD. It was harddrive and I have to tell you that being able to shoot two dives with over an hour of footage - without opening the housing - at 4K resolution - is awesome!

Jim: Enjoy your INDEPENDENCE DAY break, in some ways RED is making me an independent.

I've had a movie concept for almost 10 years, where I have thought that I could generate some investment interest by shooting some of the scenes to create a good trailer. Obviously it involves a lot of underwater, and through AquaVideo I have a network of very talented customers/friends that would chip in at low/no cost to make it happen. Yet I've never seriously considered doing it because I wanted the full scale movie look and to shoot it on film just wasn't feasible in terms of investing that much cash (college funds and all that:biggrin:). Now, I and at least 4 of those friends have REDs and anything is possible. We can pick up some of that really cool footage as we are doing other stuff, like I did Tuesday. Vive the revolution!
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Hi AquaVideoRed :)

Amazing pictures, I'd love to see this on the big screen in full 4K.

Can you PM or email me about the underwater housing pricing for rental and buying. We do not have a job right now, but I remember we had a few in the past, so I would like to have an idea about the cost.

I wish I had this setup for holiday underwater videos :)
Well, my wishes we had time just for a holiday, after all...

Congratulations,
Axel
 
Tico said:
Methinks you're right Number 6, look at what our RED home office insider just picked up. Seems like Jim and Jarred just left the office for a "break."
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Is that a red still ???
 
thats so exciting!! For me it makes sense. After all the Scarlet can do 3K so RED one should be a huge bit more. Dont worry about Epic.. Cant wait to see it work.. hum.. probably wont work with CF cards? Can anyone make a visual chart comparing 4k to 4.5k? Like the ones in wikipeda under red.
 
Jarred Land said:
I am amazed how much resistance and backlash there always seem to be when we post news of anysort.. Jim announces a great new feature (4.5k) and we get slammed. I give a heads up to guys out there that may choose a company name to protect them from a mountain of legal fees, and we get slammed...
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Jarred,

I know that it is very hard to listen to critics especially when you are tirelessly working to deliver the best that you can; however, if it is of any comfort... there are a lot of people who praise the RED Team and who mean it. As a matter of fact, everytime news comes out, I love reading those posts by those who appreciate it. I believe that many people on here might not be out here for the positive, instead they just want to give a hard time. How many times has Jim asked someone for their RED # to cure an argument? Maybe there could be some type of sub-thread were only CONFIRMED reservation/owners holders can go into and comment. Then perhaps the energy from within the team can be better channeled? I know that if I wasn't a reservation holder, I would be sadened by this, but the reason I suggest this is because I wouldn't want to see a good thing go away or die down due to people who don't plan on ever getting any real involvement with this community (i.e. buying a camera).
 
Axel Mertes said:
Hi AquaVideoRed :)

Amazing pictures, I'd love to see this on the big screen in full 4K.

Axel
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Time to put in our reservation for a RED RAY and 4k projector. Or 4.5K?
 
Twenty years ago I said " one day we will have a video camera that can shoot just as good as film and we can edit on our home computer. Back then it was an amiga and SVHS ( alright a little more than twenty years ). Today I look forward to the delivery of my Red in November. I never thought I'd be able to afford to shoot video that could surpass film, so I'm just plain thrilled and grateful that RED is out there. And that it is affordable. What this camera and the people behind it are doing to filmmaking is no small thing. So thank you in advance.

Best,
Peter Shanelaris www.hangdogsthemovie.com
 
Jarred Land said:
I am amazed how much resistance and backlash there always seem to be when we post news of anysort..
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Not that much for an observer as you guys might perceive it from your more emotionally involved perspective. Which is understandable.

You are different. You are pioneers in many things. Those kinds always do take a lot of shit.

Jarred Land said:
Jim announces a great new feature (4.5k) and we get slammed. I give a heads up to guys out there that may choose a company name to protect them from a mountain of legal fees, and we get slammed...
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You will never make everyone happy.
By expecting that you would be making the same mistake which bothers you at other people. Expecting too much and not appreciating what you already have.

When emotional batteries are low, just think of the positive energy coming to you guys from around the globe.
Nothing can beat that. Just catch the feed. Careful on the dosage, though.
And make sure you don't get immune to it. :-)
 
lewis said:
Tuff thing to have a color as a brand. ApplePicker or MacNinjas would only be legal if one trained orchard technicians and the other one organised seminars on how to fight prostitution...
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Hahaha. "MacNinjas" hahaha. You've been watching too much blaxploitation cinema in France.
 
lrdAbyss said:
Jarred,

I know that it is very hard to listen to critics especially when you are tirelessly working to deliver the best that you can; however, if it is of any comfort... there are a lot of people who praise the RED Team and who mean it. As a matter of fact, everytime news comes out, I love reading those posts by those who appreciate it. I believe that many people on here might not be out here for the positive, instead they just want to give a hard time. How many times has Jim asked someone for their RED # to cure an argument? Maybe there could be some type of sub-thread were only CONFIRMED reservation/owners holders can go into and comment. Then perhaps the energy from within the team can be better channeled? I know that if I wasn't a reservation holder, I would be sadened by this, but the reason I suggest this is because I wouldn't want to see a good thing go away or die down due to people who don't plan on ever getting any real involvement with this community (i.e. buying a camera).
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Please don't start this debate again. We covered this ages ago, and decided against it. Everyone simply needs to act like the adults they are, and everything will be fine. Ignore incendiary comments. Period.
 
omen said:
When emotional batteries are low, just think of the positive energy coming to you guys from around the globe.
Nothing can beat that. Just catch the feed.:-)
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You know what.. that actually worked :)
 
Jannard said:
I have commented about 100 times (slight exaggeration) why 2K scaled makes no sense whatsoever... why this keeps coming up is totally beyond my wildest comprehension. I have to assume this is a joke...

I think it is time to take a break from this forum again.

Jim
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Sorry to hear that Jim. I am a working DOP and read the forum mostly to get info on my red #936 and how it can be improved. (And how I can improve my use of the camera) I have a hard to sifting through all of the silly comments to get to the useful information. I would vote for a forum where only registered owners could post information directly related to their experience with the Red (both positive and negative) and receive information quickly and efficiently. I had a very grainy experience with my red on a job when I pushed the iso to 640 and have turned off a major hollywood director to the red and put myself into a corner as a dop with him. If I had be able to find information on other peoples experience doing the same thing I would have not shot that way and instead used more light in the situation (on film a one stop push does not result in anywhere the amount of grain that came up on the red) Any way I don't like to bitch or even post on the site. I think you are doing a great thing with the red and your company. I'm not a "red fan" just a working dop.
 
Film Ylem said:
Please don't start this debate again. We covered this ages ago, and decided against it. Everyone simply needs to act like the adults they are, and everything will be fine. Ignore incendiary comments. Period.
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I hear that... lets hope that "incendiary comments" will stop or at least be ignored by the team... I just get frustrated for them at times.
 
Jim.. are you sure 2D cinema monstro is a future-proof choice for the EPiC?
is RED team considering a 3d camera? how about a two-scarlet mount set-up for 3d shoots?
 
cinemano said:
Jim.. are you sure 2D cinema monstro is a future-proof choice for the EPiC?
is RED team considering a 3d camera? how about a two-scarlet mount set-up for 3d shoots?
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You can visit the Scarlet forum for a little bit of 3Dage. Jim has already hinted at a possible 3D connection for Scarlet.

:D

Jared
 
Is there any ETA on the 4.5K 2.40:1? Just checking in and eagerly anticipating. Thanks.
 
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