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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Suggestions for improving RED

I think the only bonus from optical viewfinder is the look around region and the ability to eye focus easier. You have already taken care of the look around region and I hope your focus aid system will make the EVF as effective as a optical VF.

There will be traditionalists that will be slow to come around to new ways of thinking but I am very glad the RED team is using creative ideas to evolve the camera and keep the price down.
 
The thing is though, (kevlar underwear on) that an OVF isn't that hot for focus either, as when the shutter is running, the flicker basically makes it unusable for focussing. Also, given the small relative size of the image, the human eye is just not good enough to accurately focus without some aid. You can still use a tape measure with an EVF, but with an EVF you also get electronic focus aids.

Graeme
 
I am very excited to learn more about the focus aids. No argument here about moving shutters being tough to judge focus on. To many times the answer to a Focus pullers "Did I get it?" is "Uhhhhhh yahhhhhh I think.". Although the 435s shutter was a lot better then the old ARRI III's and the newer Panavision and ARRICAM cameras are actually a lot easier to judge focus with then cameras in the past (Definitely easier then the vericam and sony HD cameras). I trust you guys more and more each day though. It seems like everything has been very well thought out. To tell you the truth audio gain pots has been the only camera thing that I wondered if was overlooked. Everything else to me seems like it has been gone through with a fine toothed comb.
 
I'm sure I'll be flamed for this but I should mention that for every person who wants an optical viewfinder, mechanical shutter "Red Two", there are probably several people willing to pay for a "Red Half" - eg
- half the number of pixels (eg approx 3k image - 3100x1800 or so)
- half the audio channels (2)
- half the outputs (just HDMI, Firewire, e-SATA)
- half the price ($8750)
- except keep the same 720P viewfinder

You could also use the Red Half to film the behind-the-scenes footage for your Red One shoot ;)

Seriously, I think we will find the Red to be more than enough camera for 99% of indie film work and most studio stuff too. I know it's like the deal of the century already but the only problem remains price. Guess I'll have to wait 3 years for used Red Ones to start coming on sale...
 
Look around/ Surround View

Look around/ Surround View

Graeme Nattress said:
In an optical viewfinder, you can see what's coming into shot before it gets into the region that the film covers. Great for spotting booms and things before they get into shot. We have the same feature in 4k on down, whereby you get to see the region around the actual part of the sensor that's recording, so that you can do this also. It's a great feature.
Graeme
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I've been shooting natural history subjects with an Aaton for twenty years. The extra room around the edges of the frame in the Aaton viewfinder is indeed extremely useful. It will be wonderful to have in the RED EVF.

Is it possible to take it a step further? I have no doubt that the RED Team has indeed taken the EVF much much further.

When using a long focal length lens the high magnification can make it difficult to find a fast moving subject quickly. Small birds hopping through the branches of a blowing tree for instance. I use a Canon 150-600mm varifocal lens much of the time. The focus and "zoom" control is one knob -turn to focus, push/pull to change focal length. Being able to locate subjects at 150 and crash into 600 for filming definitely helps.

When shooting super 16 format (2k with windowed sensor) on the Red Camera, but using a lens that covers 35mm, would it be possible to briefly see the image from the whole sensor in the viewfinder? This would allow a much wider "find" view. It would be very useful if after finding and centering the subject it was then possible to instantly switch back to viewing the windowed (recording) area with a small look around, for focusing and framing.

Ideally, for tripod use such a viewfinder feature would be accessible with a short wired remote that could be attached to the tripod handle, or held in the hand on the tripod handle, while the other hand stays on the lens for focusing. In many situations the time it takes to move the lens hand to the camera body and back can result in a missed shot -no matter how familiar the cinematographers reflexes are to the camera and lens controls.

I assume there will be a port on the camera for a wired remote record/stop switch. Could this same port also have a separate user programable circuit -to access a feature such as the one I spoke about above, or other RED ONE camera/viewfinder abilities. The Aaton wired remote I use is a simple light weight plastic cylinder. The wire comes out of one end and a three way switch that controls on/off and single frame (to access the internal light meter) is on the other. It's easy to hold in the palm of the hand and simultaneously operate the tripod or lens. It is a small thing that makes many shots possible.

The RED ONE camera looks to be a very big thing, that will open worlds of possibilities. Many thanks to the team.
 
The look around option would be great. and using a cable that you can buy in several sizes for the viewfinder so that the screen is always fairly close to the eye would be the ideal situation. Have you thought about working with a professional Monitor vendor such as TRANSVIDEO to make a montior that will be daylight viewable and HD resolution (at least). I find most LCD's to work terrible outside and since I work as a steadicam operator a good daylight viewable monitor is a job necessity.
 
viewfinder?

viewfinder?

Chris is so right here. Steadicam or crane ops who use monitors outside to aim with all the time know that monitors that aren't viewable in daylight don't work well.

Lets go to sticks here. bird in the tree man on the ground tilt. non day light viewable and narrow angle of view LDC screen with of course a hoodman so you can see at all.

1. Looking at the bird with your head against the hood the monitor is tilted up and hopefully you are either young or have very powerful reading glasses to see the screen in focus

2. Tilt down to the man... whoops up on tippy toes and still can't see the damn monitor.... now you feel it.

TJ Williams
 
Fovean said:
i just wanna say thanks to the RED team for look-room in an electronic viewfinder!

that's something I was definitely NOT expecting

now...long eyepiece, anyone?;)
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Word - I am so tired of my S##Y cam's viewfinder showing me less of what's being recorded. More is a god-send.
 
Look-around is still on the feature list. It would be pretty hard to remove it as it's all tied in with the sensor and pixel dimensions. :-)

Graeme
 
My vision of the RED ONE viewfinder or EVF or SurroundView electronic viewfinder solution had always a look of high quality Head Mounting Display with a high end dynamic hi-fi earphones something like at the picture below

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"Imagine this MP3 Player equipped with BlueTooth to monitor the audio output of your RED camera. And what if you had a virtual RED lens viewfinder displyed in the shades?"
Quote and picture taken from
http://www.dvinfo.net/red/reddawn1.php
 
You want to attach it where?!

You want to attach it where?!

Stuart- My vote would be for at least two cable options:

1) 5' spiral type for steadicamers, Noga arm mounts and in my case an HMD (head mounted) EVF.

2) 25' for jib, remote head work - if they are male on both ends then we would need the equivilent of a BNC barrel (F to F) for longer cranes

Of course if you are using an industry standard connector/cable solution then we can deal with this ourselves but I am assuming that due to bandwidth requirements and unique interface protocols this will have to be a RedAccessory item.

Will the LCD and the EVF use the same interface?
 
Pssssssssst!
I have feeling from my Vienna, Austria long distance to California that Jim has HMD as the RED "EVF" under his sleeves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just keep cool and wait. Til than have some creative fun at the forum like this.
 
Hwooooya monitor cables in many lengths..... HDMI done in Lemos!!!!!

How far can the monitor be away from the camera????

Will it be daylite viewable enough to use with steadicam????

Psssst: Wanna buy some steadicam mounting plates for it????
 
LCD and EVF cables

LCD and EVF cables

Q: "Will the LCD and the EVF use the same interface?"

Would you prefer it if was or if it wasn't ?
 
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