Sugestion for RED TEAM - Higher Frame Rates to buffer

[Ketch Rossi]

See for me, all it really matters is resolution first, all other comes second, so if Resolution has to suffer to get HFR, then I prefer to keep the Resolution and shoot at lower FR.

Would I love to go higher at 6KFF, yes of course I would, but I have seen a LOT of SloMo and to me 80/100 hits the absolute perfect SPOT for most work.. Were in the rare occasions more FR is needed to slow down things even more, I still would shoot at full camera Resolution then slow things down in Post, which thankfully today's available programs do a good job.

I love what they have done with the Phantom Flex 4k, but to me, if I was to need to go down to 4k, I am more then happy with what I would get on Dragon... Higher FR is really just best suited for really RARE occasions, and or scientific work.

When to much of SloMo is used and at ridiculous speeds, it tends to get annoying to see over and over, but I do love to see a good 100 to 300 HFR material when a decent motion is captured, or a scene with high detail within that in SloMo reveals things you could not have seen if were not shot in HFR.

And yes, while extremely happy with were Dragon is now, I would always welcome any improvement on the HFR and Burst modes, without care, to a degree of price and body size weight increase.

 

[Samir Patel]

Has anyone ever used software like twixtor to convert your 120fps to 240fps? I know someone here did a Scarlet 5K 12fps to 24fps just wondering. I figure that you are capturing so much more motion during that second that shouldn't software be able to interpolate better?

 

[Humberto Ramos]

See for me, all it really matters is resolution first, all other comes second, so if Resolution has to suffer to get HFR, then I prefer to keep the Resolution and shoot at lower FR.

Would I love to go higher at 6KFF, yes of course I would, but I have seen a LOT of SloMo and to me 80/100 hits the absolute perfect SPOT for most work.. Were in the rare occasions more FR is needed to slow down things even more, I still would shoot at full camera Resolution then slow things down in Post, which thankfully today's available programs do a good job.

I love what they have done with the Phantom Flex 4k, but to me, if I was to need to go down to 4k, I am more then happy with what I would get on Dragon... Higher FR is really just best suited for really RARE occasions, and or scientific work.

When to much of SloMo is used and at ridiculous speeds, it tends to get annoying to see over and over, but I do love to see a good 100 to 300 HFR material when a decent motion is captured, or a scene with high detail within that in SloMo reveals things you could not have seen if were not shot in HFR.

And yes, while extremely happy with were Dragon is now, I would always welcome any improvement on the HFR and Burst modes, without care, to a degree of price and body size weight increase.

Agree, resolution comes first and dragon is more than excellent, but for what I do its not perfect, especially when filming little things like small mammals reptiles, insects etc, I need slow motion, and 100fps its not enough.

If I can have a dragon that makes me 300 fps in 4k than it will be perfect for me. If I need more than 300fps for some scenes I can hire a Phantom 4K, because more than 300 would be the exception.

Without 300 fps at 4k, besides the dragon, I would need to have a phantom permanently, and with that money I could buy 3 dragons...

 

[Brian Merlen]

I wonder when/if Vision Research will make 4k v series cameras? As much as I love my Epic I really wanna break stuff and blow stuff up at even slower rates. No I don't have a client, just an urge for slow motion destruction lmfao

4k Flex seems like a fairly decent solution, but compared to v series its super super limited. 1000fps is cool for lots of stuff, but man some of the FPS on the v series models are staggering. I mean you can see the actual shock wave in the explosions even, or bullets flying slowly in the air. Its like a whole new world of images for me. I am going to try to take their course in CO this year and blow up some cool stuff. It looks super fun, totally wanna go and hope im not booked! I really want to find an old v series or miro that I can just play with until they release something higher res for those kinds of scientific frame rates

 

[Alsone]

Don't believe them crazy folks.

The immediate future is:
- 23.976p
- 24p
- 25p
- 29.97p
- 30p
- 50p
- 59.94p
- 60p
- 120p

Don't know how immediate 120p broadcast is going to be, but I think you'll see UHD 4K/4K HD at 60p sooner than you'd think.

If this is truly this open across platforms and delivery methods, I think I might be moving over to actual 24p capture again. So sick of 23.976

Don't be so sure Phil.

Some of the people I've been having 4K discussions with claim they work at the BBC, (You never know for sure on message boards). Whereas what they say is their own personal opinions and NOT official, it seems they, other broadcasters and many European broadcasters are not supporting the standards and are waiting for the SMPTE to agree a standard, which if you believe that video, is 5 years away.

It's been widely reported on several news blogs that the 4K tv's being turned out of China that are supposed to be flooding the market are of a low spec eg:

http://www.displaysearchblog.com/2013/11/4k-tv-boom-–-over-30m-in-2014/

From what I can gather, European broadcasters are not prepared to adopt those specs and instead are interested in high refresh rates, expanded colour space and contrast.

See for me, all it really matters is resolution first, all other comes second, so if Resolution has to suffer to get HFR, then I prefer to keep the Resolution and shoot at lower FR.

Resolution is not the major gain with 4K tv. What really matters is the expanded colour space and contrast ability as these allow 4K pictures to be more lifelike and 3D in appearance (without being 3D) than ever before.

 

[Phil Holland]

Don't be so sure Phil.

Some of the people I've been having 4K discussions with claim they work at the BBC, (You never know for sure on message boards). Whereas what they say is their own personal opinions and NOT official, it seems they, other broadcasters and many European broadcasters are not supporting the standards and are waiting for the SMPTE to agree a standard, which if you believe that video, is 5 years away.

It's been widely reported on several news blogs that the 4K tv's being turned out of China that are supposed to be flooding the market are of a low spec eg:

http://www.displaysearchblog.com/2013/11/4k-tv-boom-–-over-30m-in-2014/

From what I can gather, European broadcasters are not prepared to adopt those specs and instead are interested in high refresh rates, expanded colour space and contrast.



Resolution is not the major gain with 4K tv. What really matters is the expanded colour space and contrast ability as these allow 4K pictures to be more lifelike and 3D in appearance (without being 3D) than ever before.

Well 5 years isn't exactly the immediate future I was mentioning and for that we'll have to watch. I can make observations based on what I've learned from other organizations and also what's currently in motion. This is stuff "I do down here" occasionally.

The biggest gains in terms of frame rate happen at higher resolutions and screen sizes. For instance I do see potential behind 120fps material on an IMAX sized screen, with resolution to match.

As for 4K/UHD 4K. For home use and what most are/will be developing is the potential for up to 60fps. That's today and a bit into tomorrow though. After 5 years (2019) I have no idea what will happen exactly, it's too cloudy in 2019 at the moment

I do think there's some interesting chaos in terms of contrast, color, brightness, and display dynamic range.

A few display manufacturers showed HDR technology, which is interesting stuff. There's potential there.

Right now those inexpensive 4K displays are below the spec we would really want for most of our uses. Specifically in relationship to 24fps material. Much of this is changing right this second luckily.