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Steve Jobs...

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Jannard said:
I can't emphasize enough how much I recognize the impact and contribution of a visionary. They are rare indeed.

Jim
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Jim, I'll give you all that, and more. The difference between you and Steve is, Apple seldom say anything very much outside of choreographed product announcements. On the odd occasion Steve has actually replied to a customer email (and it's usually a terse one-liner reply) it's major news, all over the nets. RED, now, they're completely different! :thumbup1:

Mike
 
Mike 'Fireman' Ross said:
Jim, I'll give you all that, and more. The difference between you and Steve is, Apple seldom say anything very much outside of choreographed product announcements. On the odd occasion Steve has actually replied to a customer email (and it's usually a terse one-liner reply) it's major news, all over the nets. RED, now, they're completely different! :thumbup1:

Mike
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I think he replies to a fair few emails - I'm one recipient. I didn't publish it because it was an email not a forum post, but I have to say although succinct it was six sentences and obviously well thought-out and reasoned!

I think the mark of a man like that is that everyone - no matter whether you dislike his company's products, way of doing business, or even his personal idiosyncrasies - can still recognize that he is a rare genius. Some may have to acknowledge that reluctantly and with envy, while the rest of us do so with pure admiration... but we all have to acknowledge it.

But let's not eulogize here, we're still in the present tense, and even if he's no longer at the wheel I imagine he'll be on the passenger side barking instructions.
 
Elsie N said:
I guess he's a visionary but since I don't use any of his products, his vision hasn't affected me as it has probably billions of others. I look at his business model and I just see a businessman who creates products people will buy and sells it to them for a tidy profit. I don't recall him ever under-pricing his product to make it affordable for more people. On the contrary he has generally set the price bar at it's high threshold and in doing so has made Apple one of the most profitable companies in the world.

So I agree he is an astute businessman. However, I think terms like Visionary should be reserved for people who are not only able to see the future, but choose to share that vision with his or her customer base. Someone who desires his customer-friends feel the passion of the experience from within the vision.

Someone like you, Jim Jannard.
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I've read through this entire thread and I'm sorry it's turned into a bit of a shouting match. But I just have to make one point that I'm a little surprised nobody else has made.

Elsie, I strongly suspect you are sitting in front of a Windows PC right now. That Windows PC has a graphical user interface. That interface was largely copied from the Macintosh, created by Steve. That Windows PC has a flat-panel monitor. Steve Jobs pioneered the switch to flat panel technology while most companies were stuck with CRTs. That Windows PC has USB ports. Steve's iMac was the first computer to rely entirely on USB, advancing the adoption of that standard by years. Today, Apple and Intel have jointly introduced Thunderbolt. Tomorrow, all serious film/video editing computers will have it.

Early adopters of technology, like Steve Jobs and Apple users, always charge more, because they absorb the development costs of technology from flat panel monitors to iPads. Then prices slowly sink to earth. Steve's boutique style company and upscale stores may not appeal to you, but in the end, you benefit enormously from the innovation created there.

So you may have never used an Apple product, but you have used products that have been deeply influenced by what Apple has done. I guess you can say that without living in a cave, it's impossible to avoid the influence of Steve Jobs.

And that's why, in the end, he is indeed a visionary and a great man.

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So is Jim Jannard, of course :). Since he is a visionary in this particular business area, of course we support him more than we support a far more distant Steve Jobs. Personally I appreciate and admire both men. And hope Steve can beat the odds, recover and still be around for iPad X and later :).

David
 
Not to sound like a kiss ass fanboy but...

Apple products are everywhere in my life. For the last 15 years they have been my workhorses.
I admire Steve Jobs. He's always 5 years ahead of the others.
I love him and Apple for that. Apple has been my all time favorite company. But then came RED...and my whole life changed completely.

My RED one brought me further than any and I mean any other thing, product or gadget ever. It had a bigger impact on the way I work or do business than all the Apple products combined. And Apple is the shit. So now you kinda know what RED means to me.
It's not always just love with the RED gang and sometimes I really got a little frustrated but hey (think FCP-X) that's all nothing compared to other companys out there.

So Steve is a visionary, maybe the greatest of my time, but so is Jim and his team. They rocked my world harder than anything else except the birth of my girl.

And also that I can sit here and write directly to JJ the man himself and sometimes I even get some direct feedback is very revolutionary or visionary to me. So RED is my number one. Sorry Jim ; )

Now get back to work and send me my Epic X in 2 weeks... not that you get to confi now :smile5:

Best
Tim
 
David Dennis said:
I've read through this entire thread and I'm sorry it's turned into a bit of a shouting match. But I just have to make one point that I'm a little surprised nobody else has made.

Elsie, I strongly suspect you are sitting in front of a Windows PC right now. That Windows PC has a graphical user interface. That interface was largely copied from the Macintosh, created by Steve. That Windows PC has a flat-panel monitor. Steve Jobs pioneered the switch to flat panel technology while most companies were stuck with CRTs. That Windows PC has USB ports. Steve's iMac was the first computer to rely entirely on USB, advancing the adoption of that standard by years. Today, Apple and Intel have jointly introduced Thunderbolt. Tomorrow, all serious film/video editing computers will have it.

Early adopters of technology, like Steve Jobs and Apple users, always charge more, because they absorb the development costs of technology from flat panel monitors to iPads. Then prices slowly sink to earth. Steve's boutique style company and upscale stores may not appeal to you, but in the end, you benefit enormously from the innovation created there.

So you may have never used an Apple product, but you have used products that have been deeply influenced by what Apple has done. I guess you can say that without living in a cave, it's impossible to avoid the influence of Steve Jobs.

And that's why, in the end, he is indeed a visionary and a great man.

*

So is Jim Jannard, of course :). Since he is a visionary in this particular business area, of course we support him more than we support a far more distant Steve Jobs. Personally I appreciate and admire both men. And hope Steve can beat the odds, recover and still be around for iPad X and later :).

David
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Amen.
 
Tim Lüdin said:
Not to sound like a kiss ass fanboy but...

Apple products are everywhere in my life. For the last 15 years they have been my workhorses.
I admire Steve Jobs. He's always 5 years ahead of the others.
I love him and Apple for that. Apple has been my all time favorite company. But then came RED...and my whole life changed completely.

My RED one brought me further than any and I mean any other thing, product or gadget ever. It had a bigger impact on the way I work or do business than all the Apple products combined. And Apple is the shit. So now you kinda know what RED means to me.
It's not always just love with the RED gang and sometimes I really got a little frustrated but hey (think FCP-X) that's all nothing compared to other companys out there.

So Steve is a visionary, maybe the greatest of my time, but so is Jim and his team. They rocked my world harder than anything else except the birth of my girl.

And also that I can sit here and write directly to JJ the man himself and sometimes I even get some direct feedback is very revolutionary or visionary to me. So RED is my number one. Sorry Jim ; )

Now get back to work and send me my Epic X in 2 weeks... not that you get to confi now :smile5:

Best
Tim
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I think that the path for me to RED was paved by folks like Steve Jobs. It's because of Apple's way of looking at things that sets it apart from competitors. Same with RED. The camera is the end product, just like the computers, et al, but it is the philosophy that carries the companies. Otherwise, they'd be Microsoft, or Sony. That's not why I'm here. I don't want to be working en masse. Part of what makes America great is the innovation, the ingenuity, the drive. That's why we're here reading this ridiculous forum, night after night. We want to be a part of something that is bigger than ourselves. It is this spirit of adventure that drives folks like Jobs and Jannard, and even little 'ol me. Here's to that spirit of adventure and opportunity. Huzzah!
 
i've used and owned every apple/mac since apple 2 but i never actually considered myself a loyalist or fan of apple products. they always just seemed right and whenever i had to use a pc or was over at a friend's house who had a pc, i would always stare in amazement at how clunky and unintuitive windows was and still can be.

i never even realized my loyalty to apple until it was put to the test...by red. i knew that red was an apple house but there was some doubt very early on. i thought, "is this another great product, like so many software and hardware products, that will only take aim at the safer, larger pc market and leave apple users behind?" at 4k, the red was my dream camera. a technological dream that blended perfectly with my dreams of independent storytelling as an artist. i knew that steve and apple spearheaded the digital revolution for graphic designers by introducing the first affordable laser printer, an os and interface made for artists and a suite of powerful image editing and font-aware software. but what about filmmakers?

fortunately, apple jumped on board the red 4k express early on. there are thousands like me that pulled the trigger as soon as they saw final cut pro ingesting and cutting through 4k originated footage. it was the deal sealer. but the scary truth is that i would not have bought my red one if apple was not the platform i would be editing on. i didn't realize it until then but apple's lure and style even surpassed my urge to finally have a 4k camera that delivers 35mm quality without film headaches and expense. i would just have waited until another mac-friendly camera system came along so that i could stay with apple. fortunately, i didn't have to.

and to this day there are only 2 companies in my mind that actually create a sense of fairness and pleasure when purchasing any of their services or products. those 2 companies are red and apple. thank you jim.

thank you steve.
 
Steve Sherrick said:
Watching those videos from when Steve was a young, vibrant entrepreneur of 23 to the present is certainly a reminder that our time on this planet moves quickly and unapologetically. If you want to do something worthwhile, do it now because tomorrow is guaranteed to be yesterday and yesterday is guaranteed to be a lifetime ago.
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Steve Jobs - An inspirational Leader, Iconoclast, Entrepreneur and Visionary. Each of these are independent qualities. Seeing all in such abundance in one individual earns him a very visible place in our history books. His influence has gone way beyond Apple's products - an influence that will likely be felt for generations to come. M
 
Just pre-ordered the upcoming "official" biography on Amazon - can't wait to read it :)
 
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Terry VerHaar said:
Wow - I can't decide if this post falls more into the category of embarrassing and inappropriately out-of-context pandering or simply the most cynical and begrudging (not to mention flat out inaccurate) post of the decade. Sad.

No one has to like someone or agree with complimentary posts but, geesh, in some cases it is just the most appropriate thing to withhold comment. :thumbdown:
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sorry, but elsie is totally right. and what in hell did he say inappropriate??

there`s no discussion about the fact that I would wish mr. jobs all the best but that`s a different case from what he`s doing as a business man. the way he rescued apple and what he did with pixar was amazing but the business policy of apple definately is not what I like, so the ipod touch (1st generation) was the first and last apple product in my life - don`t misunderstand me, it`s a fine piece of technology, but when I discovered it`s tied to itunes and when the battery died two years after the purchase things showed their ugly side...
 
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David Dennis said:
I've read through this entire thread and I'm sorry it's turned into a bit of a shouting match. But I just have to make one point that I'm a little surprised nobody else has made.

Elsie, I strongly suspect you are sitting in front of a Windows PC right now. That Windows PC has a graphical user interface. That interface was largely copied from the Macintosh, created by Steve. That Windows PC has a flat-panel monitor. Steve Jobs pioneered the switch to flat panel technology while most companies were stuck with CRTs. That Windows PC has USB ports. Steve's iMac was the first computer to rely entirely on USB, advancing the adoption of that standard by years. Today, Apple and Intel have jointly introduced Thunderbolt. Tomorrow, all serious film/video editing computers will have it.

Early adopters of technology, like Steve Jobs and Apple users, always charge more, because they absorb the development costs of technology from flat panel monitors to iPads. Then prices slowly sink to earth. Steve's boutique style company and upscale stores may not appeal to you, but in the end, you benefit enormously from the innovation created there.

So you may have never used an Apple product, but you have used products that have been deeply influenced by what Apple has done. I guess you can say that without living in a cave, it's impossible to avoid the influence of Steve Jobs.

And that's why, in the end, he is indeed a visionary and a great man.

*

So is Jim Jannard, of course :). Since he is a visionary in this particular business area, of course we support him more than we support a far more distant Steve Jobs. Personally I appreciate and admire both men. And hope Steve can beat the odds, recover and still be around for iPad X and later :).

David
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jeez...this is simply how the whole industry works, it`s called "innovation"...
 
Jannard said:
The news that Steve has stepped down as Apple CEO sends ripples across the world. It implies that life is short. Things change. Make the most of what you have because it can go away as fast as it came.

I know Steve. I have met with him. I admire him. Steve has changed the world and set an example for all visionaries to follow. There are very few like Steve... Walt Disney is the only other one that comes to mind in my lifetime.

Businesses need visionaries. They don't need bean counters or "businessmen". Visionaries see beyond "what is". They envision what "can be" or "will be". Steve has done an amazing job of this. Hat's off.

I give my full respect and appreciation to Steve Jobs at this critical time in his life. I can only hope that his vision will carry Apple for many years to come. He has certainly inspired me.

Jim
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Jannard said:
If you guys turn the intent of this thread into something "not good"... I'm going to be pissed and start deleting. I'm already irritated.

Jim
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Jim Jannard started this thread with the best of intentions, I would respectfully suggest that anyone contemplating posting should read both of Jim's posts above before doing so.

Derailing a thread such as this is disrespectful and unworthy.
 
Here's the great man himself demonstrating what is perhaps his best work. By some reckoning, OSX is actually OpenStep 5.6 or so :-)

And yes I still have a few functional NeXT systems :)



Enjoy! Especially if you want to know where your OSX system really came from...

Mike
 
By the time MS launched windows 95 with "where do you want to go today" I always felt Apple could have responded, "Where ever that is, it was proably made on a mac."

If I think beyond my use of macs and mac products over the years, to what I have watched on film, TV, the internet, seen in magazines, on billboards, in movie theaters, read in books, seen printed in photographic shows, I can not even imagine how much of the creative input I have witness was MADE on a MAC by some creative professional somewhere.

It's always been a creative tool of choice for many professionals.

I don't seem to think this way when it comes to other brands, like Black and Decker for example. There is a special relationship craftspeople and artists have with their machines, it seems especially Apple computers.

David
 
David Dennis said:
... That Windows PC has a graphical user interface. That interface was largely copied from the Macintosh, created by Steve. That Windows PC has a flat-panel monitor. Steve Jobs pioneered the switch to flat panel technology while most companies were stuck with CRTs. That Windows PC has USB ports. Steve's iMac was the first computer to rely entirely on USB, advancing the adoption of that standard by years.
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David
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You repeat a number of popular myths here. Apple may have been early adopters of these technologies, but they were not the developers or pioneers.

I had been using computers for 18 years when Apple launched the Lisa in 1984. We were exited about it, not because the graphical interface was new but because it was available on a compact and not insanely expensive system. We had seen what Xerox had done previously, and were OK with Apple copying their design because Xerox never understood about computers in a volume market. We had known Smalltalk since 1971, and saw how much of the graphical interface the Xerox Alto (1973) had gotten from it, so nobody thought the GUI was a new kind of invention. And I have a copy of Windows 1.01 in my collection. It does not seem to inherit anything from Apple, but Apple had been able to block the use of overlapping windows despite that they had been used by others long before Apple launced the Lisa.

The real pioneer for flat-panel PCs and the legacy free (i.e. all USB) computer was IBM.
And in my opinion, the most important creations Jobs has given the world was outside Apple: The NEXT computer and the further development of Pixar. The NEXT may not have been a commercial success, but it was truely innovative and a key testbed for modern software development methods.
 
Bjørn Vermo said:
You repeat a number of popular myths here. Apple may have been early adopters of these technologies, but they were not the developers or pioneers.

I had been using computers for 18 years when Apple launched the Lisa in 1984. We were exited about it, not because the graphical interface was new but because it was available on a compact and not insanely expensive system. We had seen what Xerox had done previously, and were OK with Apple copying their design because Xerox never understood about computers in a volume market. We had known Smalltalk since 1971, and saw how much of the graphical interface the Xerox Alto (1973) had gotten from it, so nobody thought the GUI was a new kind of invention. And I have a copy of Windows 1.01 in my collection. It does not seem to inherit anything from Apple, but Apple had been able to block the use of overlapping windows despite that they had been used by others long before Apple launced the Lisa.

The real pioneer for flat-panel PCs and the legacy free (i.e. all USB) computer was IBM.
And in my opinion, the most important creations Jobs has given the world was outside Apple: The NEXT computer and the further development of Pixar. The NEXT may not have been a commercial success, but it was truely innovative and a key testbed for modern software development methods.
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I'll give you much of that. I know the Xerox stuff, I have working Xerox systems here (Star/8010 & Daybreak/6085), and working Lisas. I've been consulted by IP attorneys about prior art in this area.

What I won't give you is the 'pioneer' comment. Yes Xerox invented and perfected the technology - but Steve was the pioneer who commercialized it and brought it to the mass market. Both are needed to effect a revolution, and I would humbly submit that the people who can invent paradigm-changing technologies are a lot more plentiful than the people who can actually bring them successfully to the mass market. The ability to do so repeatedly and fairly consistently is the keynote of Steve's vision and accomplishments.

Mike
 
The quote which changed my life and hope it changes everyone too...

"Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life. Don't be trapped by dogma — which is living with the results of other people's thinking. Don't let the noise of others' opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary - Steve Jobs"
 
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