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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Some Guy On YouTube Says RED ONE Actually Pixel Shifts.....

from the shootout: "This study focuses only on the quality of the cameras’ picture at 3200k preset right out of the box, not on their recording capabilities."

uhh... ok... and what's the value of such an analysis?
 
additional commercials not mentioned by Jim shot on Red#0031 in the last 3 months.... - ford music videos for american idol, WEC/Versus, Busch Gardens, LG, FOX Family, TNT/Nascar, MTV Report & Observe Promos, Albertsons, WebMD, CVS, ESPN, Magnaflow/Chip Foose, Coors, Direct TV, Mott Apple Juice, AT&T, PBR, NHL Allstar Game, Mcdonalds, Reno 911, Chocolate News, Payless Shoes, Lexus, Fleeggard.

music videos not mentioned (also shot with red#0031 since October): Billy Talent, BuckCherry, Grizzly Bear, Ludacris, Busta Rhymes, Pussy Cat Dolls, Killers, Kelly Clarkson, Red Jumpsuit Apparatus, Saving Abel, Doc Walker, Kings of Leon, Paris Hilton & Juliana Hough

it must be tough to be on the outside looking in...i say, come up with 17k and join the club...all the cool kids are doing it.

dino
 
This is retarded! He is comparing images based only on the preview out, and making judgements about color!

That to me is akin to looking through an optical viewfinder and saying "the color looks great here, this camera must be the best of the bunch"

Dammit, why do some people go into this business?
 
these days the posts are getting weirder and weirder, If you live in Hollywood you get people bashing the Red day in day out, this is nothing new. The complaints usually surround workflow and camera onset stability. If you have ever had to sync dailies to sound in a transfer lab or in post, or if you have ever had a film gate with halide dust or film go off thread, or light leaks, etc etc etc, onset stability is a non argument. I always say to people show me what you shot with a dalsa, genesis, or f23. if you cant show me anything then shut the fuck up and let me work, somebody please post the RED NAB REEL AS ANSWER TO HIS YOUTUBE POST WITH THE TITLE HERES YOUR PIXEL SHIFT YOU REDROCKETED EPIC_SCARLETED MUTHA FUCKA.

Sorry I am Angry, now back to my red calm footage from the ocean.
 
oh yeah the video has been removed by user, dumbass
 
Jannard said:
As of Feb. 2009 (one and a half years after shipping began):

Commercials Shot on RED- Nike, Toyota, Petsmart , Coffee Mate, Microsoft , JVC , Mikes Hard Lemonade , Bratz Dolls, MLB , Zune, Claritin , Disney, Klenpeter IceCream, Blue Cross, Harley Davidson, Dr. Pepper, Mitsubishi, NBA, KFC, Sears, Gucci, Discovery Channel, Pokeman, Ruby Tuesday, SoapNet, AMEX, Adidas, Comedy Central, Hannah Montana, Nintendo Wii, AllState, CocaCola, US Olympics, Walmart, Mazda, Porshe Cayanne, Hot Pockets , Jaguar, 7-11, Panasonic ToughBooks, Subway, Ford, Midway Games, Pepsi, Samsung, EasyBank, Alfa Romeo, Sega, Etonics, Ponds, Mercedes, Nascar, Coke, Reebok, Gatorade, Korbel, Nissan, Mazda, Volkswagon, Saab, CVS, NFL Monday Night Football, SunSilk Hair Products, Palmolive, Hannah Montana Dolls, Wrigleys Gum, Nevada Tourist Council, Rock the Vote, Guitar Hero, Red Lobster, Olay, Mattel Toys, McDonalds, Cartier, Sebastian Hair Products, Discovery Channel, Old Navy, EA Games, Herbal Essence, Empario Armani, GE, Wienerschnitzel, Wild Planet, Children’s Miracle Network, Pfizer, Tangueray, Tap Out, AAA, Sprint, Taco Bell, Major League Baseball, Direct TV, Coors

TV Series Shot on RED- ER, Southland, Leverage, Wallander, Sanctuary, America, The Librarian 3, 26 Miles, In Love with Barbara, Icy Killers, The Amazing Mrs. Novak, The Tracey Ullman Show, Safe Harbor, Ms. Washington Goes to Smith

Features Shot on RED- Che, Game , The Informant, Beyond a Reasonable Doubt , Knowing, Book of Eli, The GirlFriend Experience, Balancing the Books, Another Harvest Moon , Fenomen, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Undead , Mostly Ghostly, My Bloody Valentine 3D, Toe To Toe, Seres Genesis, The Combination, Butterfly Effect 3, Downstream , Forelorn, Bitch Slap, Sensored, Stay Cool, Asylum Seekers, Overnight, The Red Canvas, Gauge, Kenny Begins, Big Fan , Woodshop , Van Wilder 3, Labor Pains, Cedar Boys, Melancholy Baby, Alls Faire , 14 Days , Billy and Jack , Seaviper , Stacy’s Mom, Overnight, Cold Storage, Spiderhole , SnowMen, Lourdes, Manure, Warriors, Mystery Team , The River Why, The Things We Carry, The Frost , Works in Progress, Dreams and Shadows, Into Temptation, Beyond the Mat , Pohjoinen Ulottovuus, Gutter King, The Nothing Men, True Nature, Tossed and Found, The Sculptor, Smash Cut , Mea Culpa, Hunter Prey, Repo Chick, Drei, Red Dirt Rising, Winning Favor , Five Hours from Paris, S. Darko , Warning, The Dark Country, Achumundu Achumundu, Fair Game...
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Add Subaru to that list, and the IOC (We've had our cameras on 2 Olympic spots already and I'm sure hundreds of others have too).
 
"this video has been removed by user." suppose he didn't want to wind up looking like a tool.
 
I'm pretty sure this was just a prank... there is no way the guy could of honestly been serious.
 
Yeah I would have loved to see this video just so I could have seen how someone tries to sound like they know what they are talking about. Its not like I haven't heard all this shit talking before at the 2008 NAB and before. But even now there are some people that are hesitant about using Red, which doesn't make any sense to me.

The other day I was over at Disney in the Team Disney building that houses most of the execs. I was in the elevator going down and heard one of the guys talk about camera tests. I immediately spoke up and asked what camera? They said the F23 or the F35. I then asked if they had tested out the Red and they said they had but in a way that was very unsure, which means they heard some idiot bag on the camera and went with his word. I went down the list with those guys very quickly on why the Red camera was better...or at least why I think its better. I try to convert everyone that I meet over there that deals in production. Same thing with Warner Bros or Fox...I don't have to do it over at WB as much anymore.
 
Ok This is probably gonna get me thrown out of this forum but dammit.

If only one guy who is obviously misinformed manages to irk all of you like this then wow.

Ok. The man got it wrong. He took down the video. Mr. Jannard's extensive list on page one of this thread should be more than enough to have everyone move on.

RED is an awesome camera, yet there are a ton of us around who a) still don't know about the technology b) have messed up ideas that need to be corrected c) don't have 17,000 dollars for just a body. Some of us don't have the thousand to rent it for a day.

Guys like the person who posted that video should be and have been handled by the RED staff, coz all I saw from graeme was a decent correction, a very controlled expression, and from MR. Jannard, a list that proves the point RED tries to make.

In fact, it's almost scary to begin to have something bad to say about RED. I don't worry about the RED staff banning me coz they can take it, and for the most part, the constructive stuff is taken with pleasure, but the users are a whole other story.

I really hope I'm not the only person here that thinks you guys need to chill out, aside from the big boys I've read (RED team minus the moderators, Mr. Mullen ASC, Sanjin, and Kaku).

You work your asses off on projects? so do we. you can't afford a 150,000 camera? we can't afford a 50,000 camera, and I strongly believe R1 is 50,000 minimum 30,000.

I've seen it in action, I've shot with it, and am editing and compositing footage now.

I know I'm gonna get banned here, but I have to say my piece.

RED is an awesome camera. Compared to, and I mean compared to only, the other digital cameras I have access to, not film, digital, and the market here for that matter to up the ante, RED footage wins. No question. The camera is sexy, no question. I don't care about the 3.2K color resolution. I live in lebanon, I never (for money and rent and food) had to finish a project larger than SD still. HD for me. In fact, I don't think I care for resolution much. The only reason for me a 4K sensor is important is the data it retains on capture, and the depth its size creates in reaction with various lenses. The high speed and ramp features are fantastic.

I have slight beef with RED as a system. It's heavy. 3.2K chroma res means 3.2K chroma res. period. It's still fekkin great that's not my beef. To get a computer to run the thing is hell, whether anyone likes it or not. That's it. The rest is awesome, but it's still an expensive deal.

Ok I'm like 100 pounds. I can't handle the camera for too long, I know I'll get five comments about gaining some weight or a camera for a man ain't a camera for me or some BS that I've been hearing about not bein able to pick shit up. The thing is heavy. We don't have 100,000 dollars for cam lenses and ready computer. I'm gonna get posts about how I should play with the big boys when I'm ready. It's us that'll buy the scarlets.

My problem is this forum and the way people defend RED like it's their sister.

The RED staff don't do it, they're naturally immune to it it seems. They make the thing they knew it before all of us could dream it up.

It's still expensive. There are ppl who can afford an R1 but won't afford an aaton penelope when they come out, and are upset when other manufacturers talk trash. There's us who can't afford a red and are stuck with D90's, GH1's, and HVX's. We're waiting for an ever changing scarlet that we won't get our hands on soon enough to feel as exclusive and awesome and cool as R1 owners feel and cram down our throats now.

And D90 users, camcorder users get so much junk here. I'm ashamed to say I shoot D90 on this forum.

Indeed, RED has made filmmakers. You have a RED your images are better. This is as bogus as anything. To the people watching CHE, they're not looking at either RED against film or 4k capture or all that, they're lookin at benicio del toro.

Guys. The man put up a bogus video. Tell the REDteam, and get over it. Cause the ranting makes you sink to that level, and takes away the impression that you are truly confident in your cam. It makes me feel like crap to see.

I had a different idea about something back when and I posted a suggestion and got minced. I haven't posted a reply since. I only read what David mullen writes, the RED team and Jannard threads, and that's it. It was discouraging, the last thing a forum should be.

I'm sure to all of you this is my loss more than it is yours, and that's sad for you.

I'm defensive cause I'm scared of speaking my opinion here, and that's what I thought this was for.

I have been and still am saving for a RED. But I'm also saving for an A-Cam dII and I'm buying a GH1 soon.

End of the day, I shoot film. Nothing can beat that in my book.

My point is people find it really really difficult to say things without having their heads bitten off. There are countless other forums out there that describe REDusers as radical cult-ish bunch of gear lust victims. I corrected that and was just as pissed off at them defending you guys.

It's kinda true. Anyone with a RED these days act like they are better. Just better.

My previous experience with RED didn't piss me off technically, like i said before the cam is awesome. You need money, muscle, and a computer to handle it. My problem was with it's curse.

I had partners and friends working with me for years, they got themselves a RED project in the middle of my shoot, and changed. I refused the camera simply because of what it did to everyone's attitude. We were (and still are) broke and without much permit and access. I'm not about to flip like they did. This film will play soon in Cannes somewhere and in Japan, and it's probably one of the worst things I've seen. They don't care just cause it was shot on RED. The actors were left behind till last day without scripts just cause the camera aspect was being handled. These guys bought some oakleys the next day and started crapping on everyone. I bounced. Went home. Picked up a paper and pencil and drew. Images with nothing but a paper and a pen. just made me feel better.

I don't like it. This thing is turning ppl aggressive, and the vibes i saw in that crew last month are always between the lines around here.

It's ok for people not to like a RED. I'm not one of them but I won't spend a minute arguing cause it's futile. I wouldn't argue even if I had one. It's gear. It's great gear, but its just gear. And it's not for all of us. Isn't it enough it's for you?

I mean Jim very eloquently told us that actions speak louder than words.

That should be enough.

The fact that one ignorant person can piss you off that much is really really really unfortunate.

I really hope my post isn't 'bad attitude', but I'm pretty sure this is my last login. I know 5 ppl who won't like this post, and it really sucks not to be able to log on here again if the case is banning me for this outburst.

Oh well. Here goes.

T
 
Jonathan Stevenson said:
Even if this guy was right, does it really matter? When it comes down to it, the camera makes amazing images at a lower price point than any camera of it's kind. So, in the end, who cares?
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Everybody here cares man. A lot. Everyone's really sensitive bout this.
 
Tarek S. Kandil said:
I know I'm gonna get banned here, but I have to say my piece.
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I'm not sure why you think you'd get banned, but seriously don't worry about it, you have to be a dick to get banned, not speak your concerns.

And they reason people get upset about this stuff is because 1) it's a slow day around here :Yawn: and 2) because there are a ton of people out there, perhaps less than there used to be, that refuse to take RED or RED operators seriously because of ill information they've heard.

If you have a valid complaint about the system, RED and the rest of the community is happy to listen, but if your complaint is not based on facts, then you'll be corrected.

This guy wasn't just ranting anti RED speech, but had presented an educational videographer help piece, explaining some of the cons of the super popular RED ONE system. That's fine, except that his explanation wasn't based in any reality. He was spouting false junk and trying to sound like he knew what he was talking about and had the "inside scoop" about what RED doesn't want people to know.

Actually, I'm pretty sure he honestly thought what he was saying was accurate, but it wasn't, which is way I posted a fairly polite response explaining where he went wrong. Some of the other responses to he his video were not as polite as mine.
 
Brandon said:
I'm not sure why you think you'd get banned, but seriously don't worry about it, you have to be a dick to get banned, not speak your concerns.

And they reason people get upset about this stuff is because 1) it's a slow day around here :Yawn: and 2) because there are a ton of people out there, perhaps less than there used to be, that refuse to take RED or RED operators seriously because of ill information they've heard.

If you have a valid complaint about the system, RED and the rest of the community is happy to listen, but if your complaint is not based on facts, then you'll be corrected.

This guy wasn't just ranting anti RED speech, but had presented an educational videographer help piece, explaining some of the cons of the super popular RED ONE system. That's fine, except that his explanation wasn't based in any reality. He was spouting false junk and trying to sound like he knew what he was talking about and had the "inside scoop" about what RED doesn't want people to know.

Actually, I'm pretty sure he honestly thought what he was saying was accurate, but it wasn't, which is way I posted a fairly polite response explaining where he went wrong. Some of the other responses to he his video were not as polite as mine.
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Till now, I have no complaints ever about the RED system. It's still in privilege status in my head.

My problem is the RED getting to the head. It happened with me, I see it here, and it's a slow life round these parts not a slow day.

I spend a ton of time here, just reading now though I'm through writing cause I don't wanna get minced. Your response made me feel great, I just came back with some coffee morning is much better.

I think the camera has been speaking for itself. Everyone here knows the cam fairly well, to hear that its awesome over and over and over is a bit petty.

I'm really ticked off at the people I was working with. We're reputed to make something out of nothing. RED is lower in price dramatically, to Panavision, costwise RED could be nothing, but for us, 50 grand is something.

They got a chance to shoot this thing now they dress different. Didn't want an R1 on my shoot. The cam was supposed to go to 2 projects and I left with mine.

It's tricky. You have ppl of a guerrilla/rebel nature who don't like the high cost and follow up and boundaries imposed by huge camera makers like arri/panavision/and super duper expensive sonys. I have been shooting small gauge all my life, broke, illegal, and almost orphaned. I can't afford a RED, not soon. And still, no hard feelings. November 13th is still on my board I didn't take down the post it for crying out loud.

I have no technical problems with this thing, and to think that purely based on that the camera is a shoo in for any production. Until I saw what my guys turned into when they had the chance at it. Very very very unhealthy attitude. Everything else we used to embrace was reduced to crap.

Maybe RED is too good. I kinda freak out when ppl mention it here, coz it really got in the way of acting/set/attitude/communication, all those things that make a film or a piece of work etc.

I won't do it here again if I had the chance unless it was stripped down to a body/evf/lens and a big thing of tape on the letters R E D.

One week into it I said screw this get this thing out of here and everyone talk to me when you're yourselves again - to my guys.

And I don't dare say it's just a camera to anyone, yet it is just a camera.

Anyone have this problem? Everyone suddenly acted like hot shit cause they've got a RED all of a sudden?

T
 
"that refuse to take RED or RED operators seriously because of ill information they've heard."

Sorry to post again, but in response to this exactly. I can name five REDusers here (only that I know personally) that I can never take seriously again. Not due to fault of the camera, but really, this thing changed the way they work with people. Maybe people are feeling that.

It's not up to RED to apologize, RED have been totally mature and awesome, feeling like hot shit is OWED to them for making this thing, their hard work means a TON more than every one else's 50 grand.

It's up to the users, to uphold the community's standards. Leave RED to the task of making other manufacturers feel impotent. The community's job is to uphold a standard of quality and character. All the things that make up a good attitude.

In fact, the quality is so uncompromising this point alone, the users' attitudes when they upgrade to REDuser status could be something everyone else uses to damage RED god forbid.

I told my guys to watch it, very harshly last week when they woke up and realized they had nothing but a camera test.

Am I makin any sense? It's like the ring that rules them all or something.
 
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