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Shutter speed one more time PLEASE)

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Ershov Kirill

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Hi guys) have a look at this russian music video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sv15YRWYcow#!

it was shot on RED SCARLET....

what the shutter speed u think they used? and really what do u think is the best way to choose shutter speed.... of course there is a rule (180 degree) but how to understand it?!

i mean that when i am filming sports i know that for sure i gonna take it faster and break the rule. But for example when we are speaking about such video - a guy siting in the chair and singing?

i've already asked a month ago practically the same question: i was making a test: http://vimeo.com/56299838 (password:QWERTY) and if u can see in my picture there are no fast movements and he is staying on one place but when he makes some moves with his hands - there is motion blur.... and how i undersand it's not good BUT the shutter speed there was 1/48 (180 degree rule)

so my question is what u can suggest about choosing right shutter speed ESPECIALLY for music videos.....
 
Ershov,

Like you mentioned and know the 1/48th standard, there are many other styles and looks that can be derived from using faster and slower shutter speeds.

Modern music videos have been a place where style experimentation is rampant. Some prefer a crisper look. Some go after a smoother traditional narrative look. Some go for a more blurred effect of a slower shutter speed.

There's no right answer in reality. The real answer to your question would be what's the appropriate shutter speed that you desire for the look of your project.
 
Phil Holland said:
Ershov,

Like you mentioned and know the 1/48th standard, there are many other styles and looks that can be derived from using faster and slower shutter speeds.

Modern music videos have been a place where style experimentation is rampant. Some prefer a crisper look. Some go after a smoother traditional narrative look. Some go for a more blurred effect of a slower shutter speed.

There's no right answer in reality. The real answer to your question would be what's the appropriate shutter speed that you desire for the look of your project.
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thnx for advice)
 
For film cameras 180 deg shutter was the standard. But for digital cameras like the epic, scarlet etc I definitely think that a shorter shutter is needed. The reason is quite simple.


For a film camera the motion blur is not linear. If a highlight moves fast through the frame for example there will be a white dot that smears of to each side. Where as for current digital cameras there would only be a faded gray white line, with same exposure though out the whole exposure.

The above makes it so that the digital camera looks more "smeared" than the film camera if you make a quick pan or such. For that reason I think it's better to have slightly shorter shutter speeds for digital cameras like the RED.

I would say 180 on film is best mimicked with about a 120 shutter on epic.
 
Björn Benckert said:
For film cameras 180 deg shutter was the standard. But for digital cameras like the epic, scarlet etc I definitely think that a shorter shutter is needed. The reason is quite simple.


For a film camera the motion blur is not linear. If a highlight moves fast through the frame for example there will be a white dot that smears of to each side. Where as for current digital cameras there would only be a faded gray white line, with same exposure though out the whole exposure.

The above makes it so that the digital camera looks more "smeared" than the film camera if you make a quick pan or such. For that reason I think it's better to have slightly shorter shutter speeds for digital cameras like the RED.

I would say 180 on film is best mimicked with about a 120 shutter on epic.
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i also think a lot about 1/120 cause in my opinion when i am filming at 1/48 motion blur is everywhere when people shake there hands, turn fast or just walk a little bit faster than normal... i don't like such look
 
Kirill,
if you're shooting for web, and you're not trasferring to film,
why don't you try to shoot 29.97?
 
Paramon Ivanovich said:
Kirill,
if you're shooting for web, and you're not trasferring to film,
why don't you try to shoot 29.97?
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and could u explain your advice) so i switch to 30fps and what would happen? sometimes i was also thinking about it but everybody are shooting at 24....
 
Ershov Kirill said:
i also think a lot about 1/120 cause in my opinion when i am filming at 1/48 motion blur is everywhere when people shake there hands, turn fast or just walk a little bit faster than normal... i don't like such look
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Just to be clear, Bjorn is not saying to use a 1/120 shutter speed. He is saying to use a 120 DEGREE shutter, which is the equivalent of a 1/72 shutter. 1/120 is very fast and looks pretty strobey (ex. Saving Private Ryan).
 
Julio Quintana said:
Just to be clear, Bjorn is not saying to use a 1/120 shutter speed. He is saying to use a 120 DEGREE shutter, which is the equivalent of a 1/72 shutter. 1/120 is very fast and looks pretty strobey (ex. Saving Private Ryan).
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oh...ok))) i ll try for sure to experiment!
 
Julio Quintana said:
Just to be clear, Bjorn is not saying to use a 1/120 shutter speed. He is saying to use a 120 DEGREE shutter, which is the equivalent of a 1/72 shutter. 1/120 is very fast and looks pretty strobey (ex. Saving Private Ryan).
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I think the stuttering parts of saving private Ryan was 45 deg shutter. To make CMOS look as close as possible the same, due to the way the sensor makes it's motion blur, you would have to be down at 30 deg or such.

To explain it simple I would say Cmos motion blur got a bigger smear to it than spinning mirror and film. So normally I find it good to compensate for that fact and use shorter shutter speeds on the epic. In other words the old idea of 180deg shutter / half a frame is the good standard exposure is not really valid.
 
Ershov Kirill said:
sometimes i was also thinking about it but everybody are shooting at 24....
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not everybody, broadcast guys still shoot interlaced :)
anyways,
30p is what all video hostig sites will convert your video to;
And 24p is about sound, not picture, it's just an old, celluloid saving format that, hopefully, will be gone soon
 
Paramon Ivanovich said:
not everybody, broadcast guys still shoot interlaced :)
anyways,
30p is what all video hostig sites will convert your video to;
And 24p is about sound, not picture, it's just an old, celluloid saving format that, hopefully, will be gone soon
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What are you saying?

To me 30p looks really ugly, and it's definitely not so that most hosting sites convert your material to 30p.

And the only reason for Broadcast guys to shoot interlaced is because they do not know better... thats also why they work in that domain... :)
 
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