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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Shotgun Mics

one of the issues with mic selection for mounting on RED is how much noise the camera, (or the SLR lenses) will make.. If there is noise pollution then we'll want a longer shotgun with a narrower pattern, and stereo will be a complete dead loss.

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Has anyone actually been able to test it yet?
 
While not mounted on the camera I did sound a film with OffHollywood's Reds....the fan noise...even when in "quiet mode" is still loud. I was using an MKH60 in places I would have preferred to use the CMIT5U. Personally I don't like the rode mics...I have the Schoeps and all Sennheisers. Lavs are Pin-Mics and Countryman B6s.

~Marque DeWinter
Barnstormer Films
 
Another shotgun to consider is the Sanken CS3e. I've found it just as directional as my Neumann KMR82 in a MUCH smaller and much lighter package. Unique among directional mics it has no rear sensitivity lobe to speak of, and doesn't pick up a lot of proximity bass boost if used close. Not cheap, but my current fave. It is small enough that it might work as a camera mount, given the right hardware.

Philip Perkins CAS
 
paul engstrom said:
"Thought I saw that the RED has only mini-xlr jacks. Have never used these. Any idea why they used that size? Does it impact audio quality? "

i remember reading that this was purely because of size considerations on the camera body--they're trying to keep the camera as compact/light as possible.

p
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I like the Sennhieser 416 or the 816 in Phantom 48v..Thanks for that Phantom feature Jim & RED Team!

The camera connectors are shown in the manual posted on the RED web site and are 4 MINI XLR Females & 1- 5 Pin Female mini XLR & 1-5 Pin Lemo for TC in.

I will offer a Mult cable for Audio and video to match standard XLR's and Coax BNC ends. This mult will simplify connections and protect the camera connectors by strain relief anchors.

PM or E-mail me for details.

Dave
 
Is Ty Ford going to come back? He had some great things to say in August - now that sound is up and running, would be curious what he makes of all this.

(Philper, you're awesome too.)

As a guy with a terrible ear for sound, I'm leaning pretty hard on all the knowledge the experts can toss my way.
 
For run and gun ambient audio directly to my RED cameras I just took delivery of a Sennheiser ME66/K6 shotgun kit from B&H ($479).

The ME66/K6 kit includes:
Sennheiser ME66 short shotgun
Sennheiser K6 powering module
AA batteries
Windtech SG-1 Windscreen
RODE adjustable shockmount F/shoemount
Audio Technica XLR/M to XLR/F cable

I'll out-mount the shotgun on a single piece of the RED Cage, mounted on the right front corner of the camera body. The K6 powering module I got has the ability to power the mic from phantom power or AA batteries with the flip of a small switch. Reviews I read of the ME66 were very favorable for an affordable, small, phantom powered, on-camera shotgun mic. Length of the assembled mic (about 12") seems to be just about right to get it out past lens/camera noise to pickup clean ambient audio.

Sometime soon, when I get a chance, I'll use the ME66 in some mobile run and gun shooting scenarios and post here my impressions of its performance.
 
Gibby said:
For run and gun ambient audio directly to my RED cameras I just took delivery of a Sennheiser ME66/K6 shotgun kit from B&H ($479).

The ME66/K6 kit includes:
Sennheiser ME66 short shotgun
Sennheiser K6 powering module
AA batteries
Windtech SG-1 Windscreen
RODE adjustable shockmount F/shoemount
Audio Technica XLR/M to XLR/F cable

I'll out-mount the shotgun on a single piece of the RED Cage, mounted on the right front corner of the camera body. The K6 powering module I got has the ability to power the mic from phantom power or AA batteries with the flip of a small switch. Reviews I read of the ME66 were very favorable for an affordable, small, phantom powered, on-camera shotgun mic. Length of the assembled mic (about 12") seems to be just about right to get it out past lens/camera noise to pickup clean ambient audio.

Sometime soon, when I get a chance, I'll use the ME66 in some mobile run and gun shooting scenarios and post here my impressions of its performance.
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Thanks a Nice selection. The RED should put +48 Phantom power to ME66..?
 
David Birdy said:
The RED should put +48 Phantom power to ME66..?
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Yes, RED One does have +48 phantom power, thus I can use the ME66 with either phantom power or AA battery power. If using it with batteries, I'd expect that phantom power to the bus the will need to turned off in menus.
 
Gibby said:
Sometime soon, when I get a chance, I'll use the ME66 in some mobile run and gun shooting scenarios and post here my impressions of its performance.
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I've swung it on some narrative shoots, it's a nice sound and pattern. Have you worked out how to get that RODE mount on to the body?
 
cailyoung said:
I've swung it on some narrative shoots, it's a nice sound and pattern. Have you worked out how to get that RODE mount on to the body?
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The Rode shock mount is model SM3. It has a 3-way mounting system with 1/4" x 20 and 3/8" x 16 internal threads for boom pole or tripod mounting and a standard hot shoe adaptor for direct camera mounting. RED One obviously doesn't have a hot shoe, but I'm thinking the 1/4" or 3/8" thread will allow me to attach it to one of the holes near the top of the RED Cage piece as I mentioned in my previous post. I may need a small adaptor/downconverter to do that - we'll see. When I get it configured on the camera I'll shoot some pics of it and post them here.
 
You folks with Red cameras and mics mounted on top--how much of the camera noise are your mics hearing? Is the audio you are getting as clean as that you got doing the same sort of mount w/ other cams?

Has anyone measured the phantom voltage from the Red camera? Is it a true 48v DC or less?

Philip Perkins CAS
 
I just got the Audio Technica AT825 Stereo Mic on eBay for $250 - it's going to live on my camera setup. With 4 channels, it's great to just have one of these rolling on 2 channels at all times... They're only $350 at bargain retailers.

This is my first RED-related purchase!
 
philper said:
You folks with Red cameras and mics mounted on top--how much of the camera noise are your mics hearing? Is the audio you are getting as clean as that you got doing the same sort of mount w/ other cams?

Has anyone measured the phantom voltage from the Red camera? Is it a true 48v DC or less?

Philip Perkins CAS
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My RED cameras are being upgraded to the X upgrade, so I haven't mounted a shotgun on them yet. The length of the on-camera shotgun I'll be using, the directional pickup pattern of the mic, and the placement of the shock mount on the right front RED Cage piece, is intended to exclude any camera or lens use noise from the mic pickup pattern. This is not a top mount of the mic, but rather a right front side mount of the mic. That's the plan. When I get my cameras back, rig the mic setup, and test it out, I'll post my impressions of the results here.

I would guess that RED has measured the phantom voltage from the cameras.
 
Gibby said:
My RED cameras are being upgraded to the X upgrade, so I haven't mounted a shotgun on them yet. The length of the on-camera shotgun I'll be using, the directional pickup pattern of the mic, and the placement of the shock mount on the right front RED Cage piece, is intended to exclude any camera or lens use noise from the mic pickup pattern. This is not a top mount of the mic, but rather a right front side mount of the mic. That's the plan. When I get my cameras back, rig the mic setup, and test it out, I'll post my impressions of the results here.

I would guess that RED has measured the phantom voltage from the cameras.
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I'm sure they have, but no one has said what it is. Many devices that say they make phantom power don't actually make a whole 48v DC of power, and I'm curious if the Red does. Is your mic mount a Red thing or something you made?

Philip Perkins CAS
 
philper said:
Is your mic mount a Red thing or something you made?

Philip Perkins CAS
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Sennheiser ME66/K6 Short Shotgun Kit on B&H web site:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/423592-REG/Sennheiser__ME66_K6_Super_Cardioid_Short.html

Some specific kit component web sites:

Rode SM3 shock mount:
http://www.rodemic.com/?pagename=Products&product=SM3

Sennheiser ME66/K6 Shotgun Mic:
http://www.sennheiserusa.com/newsite/productdetail.asp?transid=003284

The Rode shock mount will be mounted at the top hole in a RED side handle mounted on the front right side of the camera, so the shotgun will extend above and to the right of the lens.

RED Side Handle:
http://www.red.com/store/product_detail/56
 
Anybody was able to get Mid-Side type of recording out of the RED?

Anybody was able to get Mid-Side type of recording out of the RED?

Transfer from the other thread, since it should be here.


I didn't combine 4 channels in to the pairs, but QT lets you assign the channels to almost anything.
RED will record 4 channels.

The problem I have now is processing of the Mid-Side (M/S) type of signal from MKH 418 (M/S) mike.

Most good microphones record in this format and the software I use Soundbooth doesn't have this ability.
I downloaded brainworkx plug-in and it kind of works but something is wrong.
http://www.brainworx-music.de/
Same thing with
http://www.kellyindustries.com/
plug in.

I do not get proper stereo image out of these process. It should do (M+S) for left channel and( M-S) for the right channel . Looks like these plug- ins are able to produce only (M+S)+M and (M-S)+M .
Adobe Audition has ability to analyze all these, but I can't download the trial version and I am not about to spend $300+ just to buy it and maybe I will never use it again.

BTW guys, if anybody has hiss using phantom power, just use M/S mike and do (M-S )and all noise will be cancelled to zero.
Optionally just invert one channel in post and feed mike signal inverted during recording to the other channel.
This trick cancels the noise completely and anything that is in this channel unless it is inverted.

Anybody was able to get Mid-Side type of recording out of the RED?
or someone could point me to the trial link of Adobe Audition, please.
 
Andrew said:
Transfer from the other thread, since it should be here.

BTW guys, if anybody has hiss using phantom power, just use M/S mike and do (M-S )and all noise will be cancelled to zero.
Optionally just invert one channel in post and feed mike signal inverted during recording to the other channel.
This trick cancels the noise completely and anything that is in this channel unless it is inverted.
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Andrew,
did you really tried the "tricks" you describe?

The noise of an unloaded microphone preamplifier is not the same as the noise of a preamp with a microphone connected. If you connect a 200 ohms impedance microphone on microphone input, to have an idea of the noise of the preamp, just put a 200 ohm resistor between pins 2&3 of the XLR and listen.

About your plugins, why not asking your questions direct to the plugins designers?
 
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