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Shotgun Mics

I haven't seen the mic mounts for the RED. Is there an option to purchase the microphone mount for RED? Does it come with one of the production packages? I did not see anything to do with microphones in the the brochure that lists all of the available parts and accesories.

Also, because this camera is devoid of a tape system, is it relativley quiet? I can't imagine that it would have to be "blimped" or anything like that.


David
 
battistella said:
Also, because this camera is devoid of a tape system, is it relativley quiet? I can't imagine that it would have to be "blimped" or anything like that.
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Hi David,

Actualy the only reason you would use a windscreen of any kind is if there is a problem with wind. I always take it off indoors, as it muffles the sound a little bit. Having said that, camera noise does get into a mic if it is present. For this very reason I only use my on camera shotgun when I want nat sound (I always have it on for redundancy though, but I only use that channel if the lav has a problem). If I'm on a tripod the entire time though, I might use an omni or other mic instead. Particularly when recording music.

But yeah, I think the camera should be pretty damn quiet, if not silent.

Does anyone here who saw the camera in person at NAB know if it makes any sound at all? I'd imagine the raid makes a tiny bit of noise, but not a lot considering the enclosure. Probably not enough to even notice it if you picked it up at all. (It will nearly always reside on the rear of the camera, roughly 180 degrees off-axis).

Tim
 
I think he meant a camera blimp not a microphone zepplin.

But that gives me a idea...how about a three way camera housing incorperating a crash, sound and underwater housing all in one unit! lol
 
Tim,

Sorry I wasn't more clear. Some film magazines were so loud that they needed to be "blimped" or covered with a material that would reduce the motor noise coming from the magazine.

I wasn't talking about covering the microphone.

Thanks.

David
 
Lol,

Gotcha. Yeah, I had heard them called zeppelin as Chuck pointed out and was thinking of that. Up here in Michigan, we don't know too much about film:)

I took filmmaking '91 and shot a bit with an ancient 16mm (1960's Canon if memory serves me correctly) and I also shot a lot on Super-8 growing up. But never had heard of a blimp:)
 
There are some Camcorders out there, which would deserve a blimp as well ... ;-)

@ Paul: maybe I understood your question wrong - were you asking for a on-board-camera-mount microphone suggestion for the red one?

Does anybody know if there will be a mic mount for the red one?
Does anybody know if the audio inputs of the red one will be switchable between Line and Mic and provide 48V phantom power?

Martin
 
Onboard and off board Martin, you can stick it on the camera for run and gun, efp/eng etc or put it on a boom or it's own stand as a way of recording audio for drama etc. Just a general use Mic really.
 
As far as I am aware there won't be a Red microphone mount. I reckon the Rycote multimount will do a good job though. Should be far better than any standard on camera mount.

M
 
Some RED employee, I think Matt or Stuart told me at NAB there would be a mic mount.
 
That looks like a pretty nice mount, I take it that it is made of rubber and therefore is a shock mount? Nice simple design, no elastic bands to stretch out.

I think that may be the ticked for my Red rig. Thanks Martin...

Tim
 
Finner said:
Some RED employee, I think Matt or Stuart told me at NAB there would be a mic mount.
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Interesting Finner. Did you get the impression that was something imminent or it was just a future intention? A Red Mic mount would be nice.

M
 
If you have a professional sound guy, the MKH-416 is superb.
But with an MKH-60 you could use anyone of your friends and just tell them what to do to get exellent sound.

Because the MKH-60 has a wider pickup pattern, it's more forgiving.

So you just have to ask yourself: "How good is my sound guy?"
 
i'm spending a bunch of money on the best camera i can. so i want to upgrade the audio. i keep reading about schoeps mics but have no experience with them, and i don't know of any online shoot-outs that include the schoeps shotgun or the super-. is there such a thing? can anyone advise me on the stupidity vs. intelligence of investing in the so-called top of the line?

any tips on using these? would getting one of each of these be a smart investment? or sheer folly?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/con...s&Q=&sku=377424&is=REG&addedTroughType=search

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/con...s&Q=&sku=405353&is=REG&addedTroughType=search
 
Martin said:
Interesting Finner. Did you get the impression that was something imminent or it was just a future intention? A Red Mic mount would be nice.

M
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NAB was so much it all becomes a bit of a blurr especially with all the free drink party's. I am pretty sure though that I ws told that a mic mount would be ready for the camera when it starts shipping.
 
Schoeps make outstanding microphones. I am not sure you would be getting teh best use of this microphone by attaching it to any camera. I think you should go for a mid range shotgun mic that will act as a good camera microphone. I use an Audio Technica for this purpose. It is a great sounding mic for an onboard microphone and it captures much better than "camera Mic" sound.

A schoeps is to a sound recordist what a RED is to a DOP. A very fine tool that should be used by someone who understands their craft.

David
 
battistella said:
Schoeps make outstanding microphones. I am not sure you would be getting teh best use of this microphone by attaching it to any camera. I think you should go for a mid range shotgun mic that will act as a good camera microphone. I use an Audio Technica for this purpose. It is a great sounding mic for an onboard microphone and it captures much better than "camera Mic" sound.

A schoeps is to a sound recordist what a RED is to a DOP. A very fine tool that should be used by someone who understands their craft.

David
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Excellent points by both David and Elvar G.

With regard the schoeps i would add this, it is far more delicate than the industry standard MkH416, which is built like a tank. The scoeps is not advisable if working under humid or damp situations either or run and gun rough treatment, that is what i have read:wink:

I would suggest you jump over to DVXuser and go on the sound section. There is great advice from these sound guys like Oleg, wabbit, mattinSTL, yankee, mathew, timapter etc.

Here is just some of the stuff i have learned from the sound experts above.

Once you read and learn how it is done by the experts you will realise how most sound men record professionally. Putting a shotgun mic on to a camera mount in "most" situations is not the best way to get good clean sound unless you are 3ft from the subject! Putting an omni mic on the camera mount to record ambient sound is quite common though.

A cheap mount at 3ft from subject is better than an expensive one from 10ft away.

Sound is very important and i treat the knowledge these sound guys have with the greatest respect.

Mike the beginner
 
The Audio Technica has both Phantom and microphone power. If you remove the battery you can power it via phantom power. With the battery in place no phantom power is needed.

It's actually a handy feature. Any electret condenser microphone needs power to operate, be it phantom or battery.
 
wow, did i really sound that green? of course i know better than to mount a microphone to a camera. if i were to go with what i already know i'd probably pick the senny MKH60. i don't love the sound of the 416, it always sounds a little too crispy to me, i like a little warmer sound, and it has the issue of needing to be carefully directed to the sound source. the 60, i think, is a more forgiving microphone. mostly, i'ved used sennheiser microphone systems, and they are very reliable.

and, of course, as david suggests, there's a learning curve to any equipment upgrade. i'm looking forward to pushing my knowledge base and shooting skills with RED, so i'm not afraid of having to do the same with other complex instruments. the issue is that they are not available for demo-ing in my area, and there is not much info online about them. there's tons on senny, audio technica, rode, etc. lots of opinions, feedback, and audio files. the same can't be said about the schoeps, hence my inquiry.

i guess i should have asked more specific questions.

can the schoeps mics be used effectively in relatively fast conditions? is it too much microphone to use without a dedicated audio operator? say, for travel docs, for instance, where conditions can be very fast and set-ups require maximum efficiency....or are these mics really for studio environments primarily?

for the price, do they offer better sound than, say, the MKH60?

has anyone ever worked with the schoeps shotgun, and have any useful feedback or direct experiences to relate, good or bad? it's a relatively new product, so there is little information about it. there's just not a lot of user info out there.
 
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