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Shane's Inner Circle

Dylan Macleod said:
What I find lame about the "Inner Circle" is that he is charging for what Cinematographers have always done naturally and for free - share information. I didn't look too deep - but "virtual mentorship"? And charging for it? I have volunteered for the Canadian Society of Cinematographers for 10+ years now and considerate it a duty to "foster" the art of cinematography. I especially enjoy talking to "up and coming" DP's and helping out with knowledge and advice. It is the same kindness and spirit of sharing that helped me become a successful cinematographer. I make my money shooting. I'm not going to charge to impart advice and information to eager, interested young shooters.
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The counter argument is that the quality of the education suffers if you aren't devoting resources to doing it 'right'. And without revenue it's tough to make the case to devote a lot of resources. I offer a lot of information and tools and code for free--but it's scattered here there and everywhere and it's nowhere near the level of polish that I could deliver if someone was paying me to "do it right". It's also largely targeted at things that I need to spend time on already, packaging it up to some degree and punting it out into the interwebs isn't that much extra work. However if you take a look at something like FXGuidePHD they are delivering an organized and well polished product. They also then have the resources to vastly improve their work. For instance FXGuide.com's news section is generally very good and it's funded as marketing for FXGuidePHD so there is a halo effect of a well funded educational program also delivering benefits to the broader community.

If I had to pick as a student between scrapping and scrounging for nuggets of wisdom on a web forum or just being connected straight to the fire hose of learning for $15 a month the choice would be an easy one for me. What's the cost of wasted time?
 
For those of you following along:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152931617707928&theater

Yep. All leading up to Shane doing these Dragon tests.

Heh. Using the same charts and techniques I did no less (and a few other folks as they are standard tests after all). Maybe I should step back in front of the camera for my next tests...... Hmmm.

Though I tend to agree with his conclusion it appears.
 
Thanks for posting this Phil.
 
One thing is for sure.... The Dragon color science is fantastic, and the imagery one can produce
with the Dragon Sensor is filmic and exemplary.

:)
 
Phil: Given the large amount of help, advice and information you have given all of us over the years, I'd say your inner circle is large indeed...:hurray:

Thanks again..
 
FrankMcPartland said:
Phil: Given the large amount of help, advice and information you have given all of us over the years, I'd say your inner circle is large indeed...:hurray:

Thanks again..
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Love you guys man. Hopefully all that testing leads to better images. Dragon is a beast when shot right. If you can tap into that, there's nothing else like it.
 
Shane Hurlburt's review of the Dragon Sensor

Shane Hurlburt's review of the Dragon Sensor

Share's hints in his promo for Thursdays release of his Red Dragon tests (finally!) that it is the master of all cameras, should be an interesting read and review.
 
Absolutely Phil somebody should film you talking through the great work you do. IF i was in Los Angeles I'd be offering my services! Hint guys!
 
Well, for what it's worth, Shane revealed he'll be shooting "Badlands" for AMC on Weapon this summer in his Epic Dragon review.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/amc-orders-martial-arts-drama-718121

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3865236/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2

He had this to say about the tease:

"I wanted to establish ground for testing the WEAPON sensor by showing you what I found in the Dragon sensor first. In order to give you the best testing of the WEAPON, I had to do a complete test of the Dragon so we could compare both sensors individually and then cross compare them to really see what RED has done to improve their game. A lot of you have been asking questions about the dark and mysterious videos we put up online recently. I feel that you should know that we are not trying to tease you and then mislead you. We wanted to create a sense of mystery and a feel of a secret society for the launch of the new design of the Inner Circle. I want you all to always question and ask “what is coming next!?” We will be testing the WEAPON after NAB, as the RED team is waiting to debut the camera to the world for the first time at this year’s show. They have kept that baby top secret! I love it!"
 
Had a look at Shane's article. I'd personally want to take a gander at his straight Tiffen ND 2.1 to see if it has a color cast to it.

I'm using the Formatt Firecrests for literally everything now. 4x5.65" and 77mm Screw-In. Got those up to 2.7 and you guys have seen my results.

I will say on some older NDs I've seen some strange color casts at higher strengths. Ranging from greenish to oddly bluish. Regular NDs are real hard to get color matched. I was very fortunate to hand pick my Schneiders from many copies. But it took hours and I had a lightbox burned into my retina afterwards.

The Firecrests are formulaic and matched from the get go.

Other than that he's seeing what I've been seeing from Dragon it looks like. Don't think he's fully going into the various DRAGONcolor Color Spaces, but we'll see where his review/write-up goes.
 
I went to his Illumination tour in Austin and brought up RED (I think it's MZED the company that puts those seminars on that pushed Canon's because even Vincent's Directing Motion only had Canon and I know Vincent shots on REDs) and Shanes initial response very negative, but then towards the end of the seminar I brought up the Dragon (mind you this before he tested it) and he was like "it has potential but I'm not holding my breath", I'm glad to see he went into his test with a very open mind and I'm very happy to see his results.
 
Phil Holland said:
Had a look at Shane's article. I'd personally want to take a gander at his straight Tiffen ND 2.1 to see if it has a color cast to it.

I'm using the Formatt Firecrests for literally everything now. 4x5.65" and 77mm Screw-In. Got those up to 2.7 and you guys have seen my results.

I will say on some older NDs I've seen some strange color casts at higher strengths. Ranging from greenish to oddly bluish. Regular NDs are real hard to get color matched. I was very fortunate to hand pick my Schneiders from many copies. But it took hours and I had a lightbox burned into my retina afterwards.

The Firecrests are formulaic and matched from the get go.

Other than that he's seeing what I've been seeing from Dragon it looks like. Don't think he's fully going into the various DRAGONcolor Color Spaces, but we'll see where his review/write-up goes.
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I have found the same to be true with the that particular filter (the 2.1). But I assume he knows the difference from IR pollution. I haven't been able to see the review yet, so not sure of the context.

I have a set of Hoya ProND that are very good on my BMPCC. Have yet to try them on RED. But with the TrueND and Firecrests I think we are seeing a lot of promise in terms of being able to use ND without penalty.
 
scott devitte said:
Really stupid comment. Love him or loathe him Shane is your peer and Christian Bale is an over the top egoist actor.
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No he's not. He's a real actor. Not a Vimeo Kiddie "actor" doing it to meet chicks. You don't know how hard it is to actually do real acting, especially at the end of the long day, and that assistant gaffer should not have been moving lights during a take of a difficult scene. Be shocked at the assistant gaffer, not at Christian.
 
Robert Ruffo New said:
No he's not. He's a real actor. Not a Vimeo Kiddie "actor" doing it to meet chicks. You don't know how hard it is to actually do real acting, especially at the end of the long day, and that assistant gaffer should not have been moving lights during a take of a difficult scene. Be shocked at the assistant gaffer, not at Christian.
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while Bale appears to be a bit nutty, I fully understand his reaction...

u never walk into an actor's eyeline (especially not the face of the product) while he's trying to sell the product. it's blatantly ignorant, amateurish and disrespectful.

people don't work when u tell them to, yet they fuck up takes when they should just sit still... ;-)))) hehehehehe
 
Brian Boyer said:
"I wanted to establish ground for testing the WEAPON sensor by showing you what I found in the Dragon sensor first. In order to give you the best testing of the WEAPON, I had to do a complete test of the Dragon so we could compare both sensors individually and then cross compare them to really see what RED has done to improve their game.
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this quote is telling us there are two sensors, that Dragon and weapon sensors are different and that the weapon sensor will be available to make a film on this summer and that Shane will be reviewing and comparing TWO DIFFERENT sensors.

If this is all true then Shane has revealed the next six months of REDs go forward.

He he did not say cameras, he said sensors. Two sensors.

Jarred has said 6k now, bigger one later, but shane pretty much tells us when later, as in not two years from now.
 
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David I get where your coming from on the two sensor front but instead of looking at it as two unique sensors maybe it's all DRAGON but in the epic because of physical space or electronic limitations we (dragon users) have a limited version of the sensor and the WEAPON is the dream state of the RED engineers for the Dragon sensor. I remember when dragon was coming about there were concerns that the Scarlet wouldn't be in the upgrade pipeline because of the HP required for Dagon.
 
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