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Scarlet owners and their reactions this week

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Yup I can see that!

I find the Scarlet Firmware update a bit well not that exciting.
 
YES, YES ,YES ....
Same reactions after Blackmagic 4K news ...
4k SDI ( 6G-SDI ) output !!!!!!
Blackmagic want kill all manufacturer of digital camera...

Anyway frame rate of Scarlet has identical Blackmagic 4K ( $3995 minus DaVinci - You can resell dongle for $795 in same day ) = $3200 and very cheap digital mags ( ordinary SSD ) .
No need to buy Pro LCD ( $1600 )
No need to buy Red Mags 512 ( $3900 )
No need to buy Red Rocket ( $4750 )


We will buy 10 pcs of these cameras for hard actions shooting ...
 
absolutely. but i will go with epic x - rental prices and options for an epic are just so much better over here - then next year do the dragon update maybe - not that excited about dragon actually do not need 6k ever just adds too much data overhead - less noise and better dr is neat but not a gamechanger. having highframe rates and full sensor for me is. and 5k is enough for true 4k. maybe I make enough in rentals to go dragon sooner maybe I go never dragon as epic was always the cam I wanted without any buts and ifs.
 
Malk Kamalko said:
YES, YES ,YES ....
Same reactions after Blackmagic 4K news ...
4k SDI ( 6G-SDI ) output !!!!!!
Blackmagic want kill all manufacturer of digital camera...

Anyway frame rate of Scarlet has identical Blackmagic 4K ( $3995 minus DaVinci - You can resell dongle for $795 in same day ) = $3200 and very cheap digital mags ( ordinary SSD ) .
No need to buy Pro LCD ( $1600 )
No need to buy Red Mags 512 ( $3900 )
No need to buy Red Rocket ( $4750 )


We will buy 10 pcs of these cameras for hard actions shooting ...
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6G-SDI sounds cool, but do you think it makes a bit of difference to 90% of the people buying the camera?

It's an aggressive move, but hardly a death blow to anyone. Canon will likely be hardest hit by the 2 new BMCCs.

The Resolve dongle normally goes for around $500 to $600 and if you sell it you can only use Resolve Lite with your 4k footage. Selling your dongle made more sense when the BMCC was a 2.5k camera.

The cheaper media is nice, but I would be concerned about how reliable off the shelf SSDs end up being.

I would rather have a RED's LCD than the onboard monitor that comes with the BMCC. At least you can tilt and reposition it...

You don't need a $3900 512gb Red Mag to use a Scarlet. That's absurd.

You don't need a Rocket either. I don't have one.

There are a lot of accessories you will need to actually be able to use your camera in a production environment. Cage, Battery Plate, Batteries, etc. Even then it's still going to get beat up on set. RED cameras are built like tanks. This BMCC is built like a Fisher Price toy.

I'm really curious how the footage is going to look from this new camera. I get the impression they skimped on the sensor to get the price down. We shall see.

All that said...

I like what Black Magic is doing. When I was a kid I started making films with a VHS camera and edited with 2 VCRs connected together. I couldn't have even dreamed about having access to anywhere near the level of gear that's available now at a cheap price. It's a great time to be a filmmaker. There were huge barriers to entry for someone trying to get in the business. Those barriers are coming down one-by-one and soon we'll be left with one... Talent. That excites me.
 
Yes, we're hesitating too between selling our Scarlet kit to buy a Blackmagic 4K one instead, or keeping it and seeing it losing quickly its value. Unless Red announces a 6K resolution for Scarlet Dragon, but it looks like it will be "only" 5K, almost $10K for 1K more of resolution seems a little bit scaring for low-buget owners ;-)

By the way, is the 4K Blackmagic camera running silently ?

Kristin
 
Kristin Stewart said:
Yes, we're hesitating too between selling our Scarlet kit to buy a Blackmagic 4K one instead, or keeping it and seeing it losing quickly its value. Unless Red announces a 6K resolution for Scarlet Dragon, but it looks like it will be "only" 5K, almost $10K for 1K more of resolution seems a little bit scaring for low-buget owners ;-)

By the way, is the 4K Blackmagic camera running silently ?

Kristin
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It's not only 1k, it's awesome DR, better iso, better colors, more frame rates.
 
Malk Kamalko said:
Anyway frame rate of Scarlet has identical Blackmagic 4K ( $3995 minus DaVinci - You can resell dongle for $795 in same day ) = $3200 and very cheap digital mags ( ordinary SSD ) .
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The BMD 4K production camera only comes with a DaVinci Lite installation disc. You're not getting a dongle.
 
Brandon J.F. said:
I like what Black Magic is doing. When I was a kid I started making films with a VHS camera and edited with 2 VCRs connected together. I couldn't have even dreamed about having access to anywhere near the level of gear that's available now at a cheap price. It's a great time to be a filmmaker. There were huge barriers to entry for someone trying to get in the business. Those barriers are coming down one-by-one and soon we'll be left with one... Talent. That excites me.
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Me too! Here here!
 
Kristin Stewart said:
Yes, we're hesitating too between selling our Scarlet kit to buy a Blackmagic 4K one instead, or keeping it and seeing it losing quickly its value. Unless Red announces a 6K resolution for Scarlet Dragon, but it looks like it will be "only" 5K, almost $10K for 1K more of resolution seems a little bit scaring for low-buget owners ;-)

By the way, is the 4K Blackmagic camera running silently ?



Kristin
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Sell, or exchange for Epic, Scarlets don't make sense with how things are looking now.
 
BMPC just killed Scarlet.
Finally 4k for 4k!

Thanks Red for starting the dream, but even more thanks to BM for fulfilling it!
Maybe I buy Oakleys sometime in the future...
 
toke lahti said:
BMPC just killed Scarlet.
Finally 4k for 4k!

Thanks Red for starting the dream, but even more thanks to BM for fulfilling it!
Maybe I buy Oakleys sometime in the future...
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But 4K BMC have inferior DR than 3K one, no?
 
Just out of curiosity, those jumping ship for BMCC have you shot with both cameras, done comparative testing, etc? Or is this all based on specs on paper?
 
Hmm a 4k camera now, or a 4k camera at best in 3 months time (from a company that still hasn't delivered all the pre-orders on a camera announced for July last year at NAB last year). There's still plenty of time to make up any loss of value on a Scarlet.
 
Steve Sherrick said:
Just out of curiosity, those jumping ship for BMCC have you shot with both cameras, done comparative testing, etc? Or is this all based on specs on paper?
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I should have this ready and online till the end of the week

 
Steve Sherrick said:
Just out of curiosity, those jumping ship for BMCC have you shot with both cameras, done comparative testing, etc? Or is this all based on specs on paper?
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Exactly...these are unreleased cams. The bmc doesn't have any Slow mo options either. Once I can see images from both ill be able to decide...it's either keep scarlet as is or get it dragonized
 
Maybe we'll jump, just based on paper right now, although we got our hands on the previous BMC model, and it was a nice one. Of course not comparable to the Scarlet. What really bother us with the Red system is :

- high cost of needed accessories to make it work (LCD, handles, new fan, etc...)
- noise of the camera
- loss of warranty when the camera is sold
- no possibility of buying the Red gear in Euros with a Paypal or a credit card without paying fees (2% !)
- no rental possibilities to get some money back (at least here in France)

Of course our camera is great, but it's very expensive to stay in the fast train ;-)

Kristin
 
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