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Scarlet -- Final predictions!

2K
6.5" long
2 XLR in
2/3" chopped-down mysterium sensor
Lens mount options will be nikon/canon/b4
Red will show an optional 18-180 subcompact 2/3" zoom with servo.
Output ports will include HD-SDI/DVI/and Red LCD.
 
darkkelt said:
I've said this many times and I'll say it again. red will want to amortize the r and d costs as much as possible from the RED ONE which means they'll reuse a lot of what they've learned on that project to give us a very capable but less feature rich camera than the RED ONE
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I've had a theory for a while they might very well use the Mysterium in the Scarlet, but just limit it to 2K center crop mode. This way there's basically no new costs involved with the Scarlet processor. I'm not sure of the pro's and con's of such a move are, but it is a theory nonetheless.
 
Boz said:
I've had a theory for a while they might very well use the Mysterium in the Scarlet, but just limit it to 2K center crop mode. This way there's basically no new costs involved with the Scarlet processor. I'm not sure of the pro's and con's of such a move are, but it is a theory nonetheless.
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boz it makes a lot of sense. economies of scale. if they can bring down the costs of the processor by mass producing it then they can increase the profit margins on the RED ONE and amortize the cost of developing the mysterium faster
 
Boz said:
I've had a theory for a while they might very well use the Mysterium in the Scarlet, but just limit it to 2K center crop mode. This way there's basically no new costs involved with the Scarlet processor. I'm not sure of the pro's and con's of such a move are, but it is a theory nonetheless.
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I've wondered about that too, but with the heat issues the RED initially had, wouldn't the problems with heat disspation be magnified by a smaller chassis?
 
2k

24p only

Perhaps a new, more highly compressed "Scarlet Code" codec

Full manual control, no autofocus or powered zoom

Records to solid state of course

Either a fixed lens or a new series of compact Red lenses with their own proprietary mount. This would allow the base cost to be attractively low while creating a good market for add-ons.

Likewise, the built-in viewfinder may be quite simple but with a separate attachable LCD option. Or it could come standard with a flip out LCD.

Under $5k

Basically, take an HV20, give it a better sensor and slightly better glass, add full manual control, remove all of the unnecessary consumer features, remove the tape mechanism, record to solid state media, include the benefit of RedCode compression expertise, add a more professional, ruggedized body (carbon fiber? lightweight aluminum?). Double the price when you take away Canon's economies of scale but then half it again because Red sells direct and avoids retail markups.

If it's not an HVX killer like this it will probably be a 4k lipstick cam that needs to be tethered and costs nearly as much as the Red One.
 
Kholi said:
Lots of sad Red Neophytes when it's not the HVX Killer they've always dreamed of.
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It has to either be an HVX killer or an expensive but tiny 4k camera for tight locations (possibly more expensive than the Red One but otherwise groundbreaking). Where is the market in between the Red One and the HVX?

Some of these predictions don't make any sense. How does a slightly better HVX for $7k really fit in with the Red approach? Make it too much better than an HVX and then they're competing with the Red One. I think that companies like Canon and Sony have been holding back on the prosumer technology just as much as they were holding back on the high end cameras and Red is positioned to make an equally big splash in that marketplace.

35mm depth of field without an adapter would be the killer app for that indie filmmaker segment but I'm not sure it's physically possible within the "pocket camera" concept. Other than that, give us a camera with simple full manual control, a nicely built, professional feeling body, 24p and RAW shooting for under the price of a HVX and you own that market.
 
Boz said:
These kind of "predictions" are cheap and easy. "You'll all be wrong" or "you'll all be disappointed" doesn't really advance the discussion any. What's more interesting is a real prediction, and the logic behind that prediction. Then we'll see in a week who ended up being closest. It's all meant to be fun and encourage discussion as we count down these last few days until the Scarlet announcement.
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It's no different than everyone being overtly hopeful of the next HVX Killer. If it happens, great, if it doesn't, oh well.

The prediction is just as Valid as any cultist prediction.
 
Boz said:
I've had a theory for a while they might very well use the Mysterium in the Scarlet, but just limit it to 2K center crop mode. This way there's basically no new costs involved with the Scarlet processor. I'm not sure of the pro's and con's of such a move are, but it is a theory nonetheless.
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I've said this somewhere else, but while I think you're on the right track, what they may actually be doing is windowing 2K's worth of an otherwise faulty 4K sensor, to make a workable camera out of an expensive reject chip that would otherwise get thrown away.

They would need some means of physically re-positioning the chip so that the centre of the selected 2K window coincides with the optical center of the lens, but that would be quite straightforward. All they would need then is some fort of customized firmware installation to make the processing select the right pixels.

Because it's only 2K the processing overhead would be much lower and so the power consumption should be a lot lower as well.
 
Finner's had the best post I've seen in the speculation threads, and it was in regards to R&D costs on building a fixed lens offering. At least it made plenty of sense to me.

I really don't think that it's an HVX killer, if it is then GREAT! Next, RED cleans up the post workflow (it's getting better, but still a ways to go), get it somewhere close to DVCproHD (it's popular for a very good reason) and we're all shooting Scarlet.

kmikami said:
It has to either be an HVX killer or an expensive but tiny 4k camera for tight locations (possibly more expensive than the Red One but otherwise groundbreaking). Where is the market in between the Red One and the HVX?

Some of these predictions don't make any sense. How does a slightly better HVX for $7k really fit in with the Red approach? Make it too much better than an HVX and then they're competing with the Red One. I think that companies like Canon and Sony have been holding back on the prosumer technology just as much as they were holding back on the high end cameras and Red is positioned to make an equally big splash in that marketplace.

35mm depth of field without an adapter would be the killer app for that indie filmmaker segment but I'm not sure it's physically possible within the "pocket camera" concept. Other than that, give us a camera with simple full manual control, a nicely built, professional feeling body, 24p and RAW shooting for under the price of a HVX and you own that market.
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What about something really different: an ULTRA modular camera.

Imagine changing the 'processor pack' out the side in the same way the old arri cameras switched motors to go from 24 fps to 48 or higher...

I'm trying to imagine shooting with a digital arri-S camera. s16, maybe 2k, interchangeable/modular everything. from lenses to "motor"
 
I'm still predict 4k sensor.
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my opinion for all it's worth (not very much) :
the Mysterium chip rejects might be used but not as centre crops. It should be technically possible to down-sample the raw file and output an image that has 16bit latitude but at 2k, gaining contrast resolution at the expense of spatial resolution, with hot pixels mapped out at the factory.
 
mcgeedigital said:
I've wondered about that too, but with the heat issues the RED initially had, wouldn't the problems with heat disspation be magnified by a smaller chassis?
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thats the magic word. the heat problems that red had. they've learned , adapted and moved on
 
to me professional means every will have manual adjustments like all pro gear rather than prosumer. if we got something with a lens and an lcd that records 2k to CF and allows us to under and over crank to 60fps or higher I'll be on cloud 9 and jim will create a whole list of new enemies. just as well he has a red army :) LOL
 
joe borg said:
my opinion for all it's worth (not very much) :
the Mysterium chip rejects might be used but not as centre crops. It should be technically possible to down-sample the raw file and output an image that has 16bit latitude but at 2k, gaining contrast resolution at the expense of spatial resolution, with hot pixels mapped out at the factory.
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You might not be wrong at all!

I personally know that SONY is supplying 2K (HD) versions of their 4K (4xHD) SXRD projectors, which use SXRD chipsets not suitable for the 4K (4xHD) big brother due to dead pixels or other manufacturing defects...
 
There would have to be alot of unsuitable chips in order to meet demand im guessing if that were the case???
 
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