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Scarlet (and shipping) announcement Nov. 3rd...

"List price is $20,000 and we'll see these hit stores by the end of January 2012. Yes, 2012. As in this coming January. Worldwide."
That means it won't be even a 5DM2 killer, it's just too expensive... More expensive than an F3! That is so sad, because this can encourage RED to push their prices higher... :(

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List price is $20,000 and we'll see these hit stores by the end of January 2012. Yes, 2012. As in this coming January. Worldwide."
That means it won't be even a 5DM2 killer, it's just too expensive... More expensive than an F3! That is so sad, because this can encourage RED to push their prices higher... :(
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They haven't matched competitor prices to date. RED won't raise their price just because the Canon list is higher.

;Dooley
 
Order placed. Amid massive outage of servers and maximum slowness. I spent several hours getting my order in, it felt like. I wanted to order the DSCM Base Production Package but looks like that's not in the store or not yet defined. Anyone know?
 
Order placed, took 2 hours but worth every second to get my order in.
 
Order Placed. First time RED Owner. Thank you RED for awesome camera.
 
I still asking to myself what Canon had in mind with that piece of plastic.
On the other hand I am a little surprised that the only difference between Scarlet and Epic is basically the frame rate. Beside the lens mount everything seems to be the same... I wonder how Epic owners will take this.

Having the chance to shoot 120fps at 4-5k resolution is definitely a great achievement in digital cinema... although is it worth the coins?
The two cameras represent two different markets, a prosumer for Scarlet and professional for Epic, although I don't see enough difference between the two models to justify such a huge price discrepancy.
Any thought about that?
 
nima said:
...although I don't see enough difference between the two models to justify such a huge price discrepancy.
Any thought about that?
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My guess is that the processing requirements of Epic demand more exotic "cutting edge" components.

Value tends to be low at that cutting edge, especially with electronics. Look at the price per gigabyte of memory today vs five years ago, for instance. Some people call it the "early adopter tax."

Red, with Epic offering 10x the framerates of Scarlet, is miles better than computer companies. Intel/NVIDIA/etc regularly charge 50-75% more for top end parts offering 3% more performance.
 
nima said:
The two cameras represent two different markets, a prosumer for Scarlet and professional for Epic, although I don't see enough difference between the two models to justify such a huge price discrepancy.
Any thought about that?
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It is about what you are doing now, vs. what you want to do in the future not having to be a tough choice anymore. It isn't two markets in my brain, but one really big market with a bunch of demanding customers wanting lots of options. What other camera message board has Hollywood pros, amatures, enthusiasts, sports photographers, newbies, fan boys, haters, pornographers, artists, students and me? Red brings them all to the same market looking to do different things. Some people are buying epics, some scarlets, and R1 is constantly backordered. Some people will go from scarlet to epic, others might decide to sell the epic and go scarlet.

You can't find a more populated camera-related website for a single brand than this one. Not panasonic, not canon, not Arri, no one. You should have seen the message board back in 2007- there were all these Hollywood pros wondering where the hell all these weirdos came from and why they didn't know what a follow focus was. I know because I'm one of the weirdos.
 
Its all about horsepower. Porsche may be a good analogy for some to understand. You can get a "normal" 911 for less than half the price of a 911 Turbo S.

From the outside.. they pretty much look the same. Even very similar on the inside.

Some people are happy racing the normal 911 down the track.. it does everything they every could dream of.

But then there are some people that absolutely 100% need the Turbo, they need the extra speed. they need the extra torque. They just simply could not do what they need to do with the normal 911.

The 911 Turbo guys don't feel ripped off by the normal 911. The normal 911 usually inspire to move up to a turbo some day. It's a healthy co-existence.
 
Its all about horsepower. Porsche may be a good analogy for some to understand. You can get a "normal" 911 for less than half the price of a 911 Turbo S.
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I do not understand this comparison.....EPIC is an EPIC...with tyres ( if compared to a car) or without them (if compared to a camera.)...alas if we can compare horsepower with resolution or DR range....:001_tt2:

Harcharan
 
Top speed and acceleration = framerates and redcode.
 
nima said:
The two cameras represent two different markets, a prosumer for Scarlet and professional for Epic, although I don't see enough difference between the two models to justify such a huge price discrepancy.
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I've heard a few people refer to the Scarlet X as 'prosumer' but I really dont understand this... my old JVC GYHD111e (ever thought of a HDV module, Jim? ;) ) was 'prosumer' that is to say it was close to professional, but affordable to a hobbiest. I bought it for £4000 back in the day. My Scarlet X package comes in at £11,500 and is close to the Epic save for high frame rates, high frame rates for HRDx and 5k motion. Much of which I am very unlikely to use in any of my projects.

Maybe 'prosumer' is a shifting term, or maybe I don't understand what it is. But I consider Scarlet X to be a viable cinematic motion camera for those not needing 5k or high frame rates. Cost isn't necerssarily dictative of consumer vs. professional... but I think value is. And here the value of the camera to professionals certainly pushes it into the 'pro' market.
 
The term "Prosumer" is so misunderstood throughout the community and outside. It doesn't really mean anything specific, it means a consumer who use professional equipment.

Scarlet as it is today is not considered a camera for prosumers, it is a professional gear aimed for lower budget productions that can't afford Epics.
 
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