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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Scarlet and Epic updates...

ladies.....ladies....Ladies!!!!

......Anyway back on topic and siphoning info outta Jim.

Jim,
You're a chicken!!!!

Dave
 
Lemme guess Jim....Scarlet and Epic are the first models of shoes Red is going to come out with? Whoops wrong company. Started getting the Red One and the Shoe One mixed up.

Riddle me this, should I be holding off on purchasing a 5DmkII ?
 
Never Argue

Never Argue

number6,

My Daddy always said: Never argue with an idiot. People may not be able to tell the difference! :)

number6 said:
faaannnnnnn-boyyyyyyyy!

Are you that person I heard about in a Howard Stern interview? When he asked who you were supporting and you said Obama. Then he asked if you then agreed with his view that the surge was a good thing and that we should stay in Iraq for a long, long time?... and you said yes! And then he asked something else like "And you agree that any tax during a recession is a bad thing (or something else that McCain has said) and you said "Yes"! because you thought Obama had said it? That's you, isn't it?!
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I'm worried..

I'm worried..

Stephen Pruitt said:
But I suspect that any time he waxes eloquent about his latest offerings, without even a single mention regarding future upgrades to the RED One offering these same advancements, many people will begin to worry. Since the money to upgrade both cameras isn't an issue in my case, it isn't a big deal to me, but I'm willing to bet that over 4000 loyal RED One customers aren't in the same economic boat. They are counting on RED One to continue to be an important part of the RED drive toward technological excellence for years to come.

Stephen
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.. for one ! Stephen and Mark, both of you have made a point... Sure, things must change, and a sensor upgrade path has been announced, and an audio board replacement as well. But sure, returning my Red one for an Epic and for so much more money doesn't quite make it... I placed my bet on to the red one, assuming its downsides would be adressed in time... I hope this will be the case, especially regarding... a drastically reduced boot-up time and a POWER SAVING function. Hey, red people, have you given that up for good ?
 
Never been on PC's, but we tried switching from a Mac-based Avid to FCP when Mac and Avid were "fighting" for a while and switched back within a year. It was a full blown FCP system too. So the answer to your question is sort of yes.
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What didn't you like about FCP? Interested to know - I'm an Avid guy and just don't fancy changing if I don't have to.
 
Graeme Nattress said:
BTW, I always thought the best politician would be the person who didn't want to be in politics, the person who didn't want power, just to fix things up for the better.

Graeme
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You really should take a look at DC's Elseworld Story called RedSon. :-)

And If you know what I mean your so GEEK :umm:

:gun:
 
promise

promise

Jannard said:
I think it is about time that someone is elected that can solve problems in a new way. I don't see that candidate on the ballot.

Jim
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Yes, however it seems to me like one of the two holds a lot more promise than the other...

Cheers,
Damien

PS Watch after the election if the dollar rises or looses value.
PPS The world is watching...
 
I for one am sick of vague promises and fancifull words of how great this vaporware is!!!!!


(think thats enough to piss Jim off enough to spill some beans early?)
 
Graeme Nattress said:
BTW, I always thought the best politician would be the person who didn't want to be in politics, the person who didn't want power, just to fix things up for the better.

Graeme
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We tried that a few elections back...Ross Perot. All that candidacy accomplished was getting Clinton elected.
 
buhot said:
.. for one ! Stephen and Mark, both of you have made a point... Sure, things must change, and a sensor upgrade path has been announced, and an audio board replacement as well. But sure, returning my Red one for an Epic and for so much more money doesn't quite make it... I placed my bet on to the red one, assuming its downsides would be adressed in time... I hope this will be the case, especially regarding... a drastically reduced boot-up time and a POWER SAVING function. Hey, red people, have you given that up for good ?
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Okay, maybe we should address Red One's weak points and once we agree on those we can agree or disagree whether Red has made an effort to provide upgrades and such.

1. Boot up time. One of the main complaints of the R1. Anyone remember how long it took to boot up at the beginning? I'd say they have made some progress. I'd rather have 2 second boot up time. But if it's physically impossible for the R1 to do it in it's current design, it's possible we may never see that feature. Yeah, it's a bummer, but I'm not sending the camera back for that reason.

2. Dynamic Range. There's been many a discussion about this. Some are happy with it, others want more, and some want way more. Okay. I want more too. But, it has been measured close to what their specs said. It becomes subjective how much of that range is useable. A sensor upgrade might help this issue. If that's the case, hard to say R1 is obsolete.

3. Heat. I was one of the people that complained the fans were too loud, even in silent record mode. Firmware revisions addressed this, and the fans are very useable. I have yet to have an issue in heat that I'm aware of. Could happen I'm sure, but so far not an issue. I would welcome any improvements that could be made in this area.

4. Size. Some think the camera is too big. For run and gun, yeah it can get pretty big for throwing on your shoulder. But for features and commercials, I think it fits right in with what is expected. Nothing Red can do about the form factor of R1 at this point.

5. Audio. Yes, phantom power sucks and is an issue which Red has acknowledged. I've had very little trouble using battery powered mics or running a mixer straight in. With the new audio board, I expect to get a minimum of clean 16 bit, 48K quality audio using phantom power or line level. I know the specs are higher, but this is all I really expect from the onboard. If I get more quality than expected, well, chock up another one for R1 not being obsolete.

6. Post. Although perhaps not Red's domain, there is this little thing called an SDK which I have zero experience with so I can't speak about it. But I have heard rumblings of some not being completely happy with it. Okay, this is something that Red has said will improve and eventually R3D will be implemented more thoroughly by third party companies. If it doesn't get implemented by more post houses, then Red could fall into being a niche camera company rather than a powerhouse, easy to use format. I don't think they will let the R3D format fall into the niche category. I suspect the SDK will get stronger, more companies will tap into it, and more solutions will become available. This means R1 now has even more potential to succeed and also means that the many people awaiting Scarlet will be able to use it without tools that cost 10 times the cost of the camera or beta applications. To be honest, I am grateful that Red has provided some tools to work with in the meantime, otherwise a lot of us would have been out of luck. But this can be improved. We all know it. And it will need to be. I've heard from many potential Scarlet buyers who have said they will pass on the camera if there are no fully implemented post solutions at price points that match the Scarlet's market.

7. Accessories. Red had some issues with early versions of accessories. Annodizing processes were not great, etc. But they quickly took note and fixed this. Some still don't like some of their accessories but you have to give Red credit for providing as many of them as they did. They could have left that up to us, seeing that the camera uses a lot of cine accessories that are already available. But they wanted to give people options and offer decent prices.

8. Storage media. I think R1 still has potential here. Imagine being able to add 1TB of solid state storage to the R1. That would be amazing. Not sure it will happen, but I believe the interface was built so that new storage systems could be implemented. Red even designed a new 16GB CF card because nobody else wanted to design one that met their stringent specs.

R1 has flaws. Everyone at Red will admit that. It's their first camera. You can't expect perfection right out of the gate. What they have given R1 owners is a camera that records fantastic images. Yeah, she has some issues, but you learn to work around them until they get worked out and when they do get fixed or improved you feel like you have a new camera. This all speaks to rendering obsolescence obsolete. You can't expect that they pack an Epic(R2) in there. But I'm pretty sure Jim has committed to giving you some of Epic's power at a reasonable price so that you don't have to make the full leap if you don't want to. Jim has kept his word in my opinion. When I spoke to him at NAB after hearing about the Epic, I was concerned about the future of R1. He looked me in they eyes and said I had nothing to worry about. If I keep R1, I'll be happy with the developments still on the way. If I wanted even more, if I want everything they have learned in the past couple of years, I can simply trade in the R1 for full value and pay the difference for Epic. Not sure if everyone grasps how unorthodox this is. He could have said - sell your R1, take the money you make from selling it and use it to help pay for Epic. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have the same amount of money to put towards it.

So, everyone should be excited about the new cameras and don't get too worried about the R1. If you choose to stick with it for a couple of years before upgrading to the latest and greatest I'm sure you'll do fine with it.
 
I must have Epic!

Concidering the harsh economic times, I just hope it will work with as much of my current accessories as possible so I don´t have to invest too much on top of the camera itself!

please, let it use the batteries, evf, lcd!
 
Jim,

Even if the announcement IS the biggest, most incredible news to come from RED on the 13th, it can't hardly be as big as it would have been if you did not say it was going to be the biggest announcement you have made.

It's now just probably going to be awesome.... not quite the Biblical ...life changing event you have touted.

I have no money.
 
Jannard said:
I want to spill the beans sooooooooooo bad. :-)

Must stick to the plan... must stick to the plan....

Jim
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I'll try my best Mental Projection. ;-)
 
mmoses00 said:
Jim,

Even if the announcement IS the biggest, most incredible news to come from RED on the 13th,....

I have no money.
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No worries, mate. I 'ave it on good authority that when Jim sold Oakley 'e put all 'is gotten gains into derivatives. Now 'e's a trillionaire. And to show 'is generosity (and to make all the people who decided to buy cameras from the Godzillas instead of 'im, feel:sick: ) 'e's decided to give every RED ouner an exchange for a new Epic. And for members over on ScarletUser, 'e's gonna reward them for their patience with a new Scarlet... no charge.

Now, I could be wrong but just 'ang on to that thought until Nov. 13th. It will give you comfort until we know for sure.
 
Jim's already said boot time will be 2 seconds!, and existing evfs / lcds etc will work with both Epic & Scarlet. Epic we know will be much smaller, and we know dynamic range will be much improved.

Scarlet was already going to be great, we were all ready to put the money down months ago, now its being redesigned to be even better and people are complaining?

_
 
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