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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

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Ed Blythe said:
Add my vote to the no private forum thing (sorry joelnet).
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I don't think I ever advocated a private forum. I just wondered the potential of private advanced news or updates for owners.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough. I think the forum as it is now is critical to build community and it wouldn't work if it was owners only.
 
OK mates,

another thought:

What about a forum section where only RED certified users can post, but which entirely open to the public in terms of reading?

This way we could have solved all the problems:

- Everyone can get a certification to post there, e.g. by getting invited by RED e.g. after having a training etc. So users who are no-owners can still get into it. But real names would be required IMHO.

- Nobody is excluded from the discussed informations. Everybody can read it. If one needs to add info to a thread, he need to become certified to do so. Thats not necessarily a big hurdle. And RED should be able to revert back this certificate if the one is found to have "a bad attitude" (see RED's footer on the webpage)

- Everyone can still post threads in the open forum area.

- It could be actually mixed in the forum as a thread might be simply decided on its generation if it is open or closed user base. I have no idea if the forum software can handle such thing, but in theory it would be an option.

It was not my idea to exclude information from anybody, but I hear more and more users to avoid reading the forum as it becomes more and more time consuming to get any valueable information derived from it. The number of re-asked questions, speculations etc. is growing so rapidly that many poeple get annoyed.

So my idea is to have the ability to discuss with a closed set of honest people openly, readable for everyone out there. But participating in that discussions requires people to become "part of it". That must not necessarily require to own the camera, there I can fully agree. We have one camera here in our office, but 15 poeple using it. That was a misconception I have to admit.

But wouldn't the above be a valid compromise.

And for RED such higher level discussions could lead and attract more third parties than the ever repeating discussions we've witnessed recently.

But again, its just my point of view.

Cheers,
Axel
 
I'm wondering if any further changes are "time-cost effective" for RED? Sure you could satisfy x% by changing something while possibly alienating x% for the same action. Some people get familiar with a situation and take affront at change.

I think many of the changes being discussed here were proposed early on and nothing came of them. Since that time the number of registered users have continued to mount so apparently not changing hasn't cost membership.

All I'm sayin' is, things seem to be working alright and while everyone has an opinion of what to change, there are no large number of users putting up thread after thread demanding change (to the forum layout, at least).
 
Sorry for the mis-rep, joelnet.

Intriguing ideas, Axel.
 
One day someone should write a book analyzing online forum behavior. Because obviously people act very differently online than in life. We say things we would never say to someone's face (both for the better and for the worse). It's not "real" communication...and yet it is. It's misconstrued more than any other form of communication short of smoke signals. Have you ever seen so many people slag each other unnecessarily, and then conversely take such unnecessary offense too? There's little room for nuance or humor. This is Red's house, it's true. It's also the Internet. They can only do so much to keep things civil and sane, since the Internet hasn't had a history of either, and I doubt it will start now. We can all see the advantages and disadvantages of this surreal, virtual world of online communcation.
 
Well written Skip!


I have to say that I really don't want to change the forum idea by itself, nor do I have any right do expect someone else doing it.

My only point is that in the days of elctronic spamming, the amount of time I loose - per day - is contineously growing, just to filter out the "real" information that I really wanted to receive.

Any optimization that saves me (and maybe others) some time is a good investment. See, my time is limited and worth a lot, unpayable if its my sparetime :). So if the forum would have any mystery applied that results in quicker finding the valueable informations, not flooding us with the numerously repeated questions nor the endless discussions of those trying to spit in the game, it may save everyone around a few minutes a day. Quickly many hours a day over all poeple attending the forum. Man years in a few weeks.

I wonder how forum use is controlled and handled inside RED. I can't believe someone is able to track it all. Thats almost impossible and far exceeds a fulltime job by its own.

The RED forum is surely one I've visited more often recently. So I just feel the growing personal waste of time trying to keep up here with the latest "news". I have to admit that I try to limit my time in the forum now, but as its more of REDs newsletter than any email I received, its somehow impossible to stay away completely, because we clearly need to know "known issues", "bugs", "news", "updates". At least updates get spread via Email, thanks RED for this. I'd like to have them a regular "known issues" list attached to a regular status email, so we could stay away if we like, without loosing to much. Darn, I feel like I need to encourage poeple to stay away the forum to not waste time. Thats a completely wrong situation. I'd besser invite poeple to go to the forum and find out what they need to know. But just that gets more complicated these days, thats the whole story.

While some behave like "very religious poeple" (no offense here) to when Jim is writing some news in the Recon forum, its at the same time for me a better chance to get an idea of "offical news" from RED. So I do active filtering by reading his (Jims, yeah, and Jarred) threads with more attention than other users threads. Very rarely we see someone else from RED opening a thread at all.

Unfortunately those threads diversify often into the nothing. But that will happen always, now and then, in open and closed forums. I guess it can not be really avoided.

Sorry for wasting everyones time now, but mine. Feels better, now that its out :)

Axel
 
I think you mean..

I think you mean..

... **low** S/N ratio. In other words the signal is too low compared to the noise level.

We actually *want* the *highest* S/N ratio.

Sorry to nit pick, but it's important to not *add* to the high S/N. :biggrin:


Hdi said:
However, one of the main complaints I keep hearing from professionals in the industry is the high S/N ratio of the site .... it's becoming increasingly difficult to find the relevant facts and useful insights that many posters have contributed to our understanding of camera operations and workflow.
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As the site exists now, there should be no RED user limitations. It should stay free flowing open as it is.

But there should be a forum only for the RED team members that post here. With each making an effort to post the good, bad, and ugly of the RED cameras so that issues known by RED don't crop up unexpectedly by a RED user. This would require full disclosure of known problems and solutions as well as full details and use of new RED features. With responses to these posts only by other REd team members. The rest of this site can be used to debate the issue or non issue ad nauseam.

i can't tell you how many times I've come across a post and then 3 or more pages in someone from REd replies, having known the problem existed but it took pages and pages of people debating to get Red to respond to the issue.

Having a dozen or so RED team members individually and independently allowed to express their experiences, being open about issues with the camera, even if temporary, before anyone experiences the issue and also promoting in clear useful detail any new unique features implemented, by only RED team members, in one confined noise free area, would do a great deal to raise the stature of the RED camera for those that have the camera already, for those on the fence, and for those that dismiss the camera based on ignorance.
 
I Love This Place

I Love This Place

IMHO, this forum is good just the way it is. It's both, informative and entertaining. You gotta admit that some of the negative postings are humorous. So much, that it makes you appreciate how good things really are.

To many, this place is a small free film school filled with instructors and advisers of different experiences and expertise that have no problem sharing. It's also a place that at times has weird and negative visitors. The positive outweighs the negative and our fire chief has a good handle on things. Let's enjoy.

As for the trouble makers, naysayers, skeptics, complainers, whiners, bitch asses,

...keep it to a minimum and act accordingly! Love RED!

Just must 2 cents.
 
Jarred,

Is there a way to enhance the forum's backend to allow each post to be voted "up" in relevance, importance or other significant factors? Kind of similar to Slashdot, etc.

What I'm imagining is this: I post something rather brilliant (yeah right), and other forum members have the opportunity to click and vote that post up the scale. Who knows how many votes needed, figure that out later. Then, as I surf RedUser, in my own settings I could elect to only display posts at a certain vote threshold or higher, in essence using the heart of this forum, crowdsourcing, to do your work for you and celestialize the posts worth watching and darwin-award the truly boneheaded stuff and noise.

Let us help! :)
 
The only problem with Slashdot's system (imho) is that everyone surfs at +2 or +3, and all new comments start out at +0. So if you post a comment more than a few hours after the thread starts, nobody ever sees it. Of course, that'll be less of a problem in a smaller forum like this one - you could afford to surf at +0 for new threads, and only bump up when searching through ancient monsters like "Ask Dave Mullen Anything," etc.

Or: start new posts at +3 or higher, and force people to moderate them downwards before they disappear.

Fatwallet.com has a pretty good system. Just a single "quality" rating knob for each post (unlike slashdot's multiple categories)... but on top of that, individual *threads* get moderated up or down, which is cool b/c you can avoid reading redundant questions that way, and QC at a higher level.

And even better, fatwallet's threads have a "user summary" which is automatically inserted immediately after the first post. This is a wiki-style post that people can update to create a short summary of all the information in the thread. Really, really useful for long threads. Example:

http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/finance/437553/
 
There's already a "rate thread" option here; look at the menus below your user name.
 
True Barry, but I see the real value lying in rating the individual posts. The Rate Thread option is good for me to keep track of relevant threads, but I still have to separate the wheat from the chaff within the thread itself, which can be tedious and time-consuming sometimes. Just ask my wife :)

Barry Green said:
There's already a "rate thread" option here; look at the menus below your user name.
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I'm wondering, when you delete a post, could you PM that member with the reason? (I know, more time lost in 'paperwork', but it could help 'educate' certain members, or at least help them realise not to post after coming home from the rap party or the bar! :>(

Or maybe not.
 
I like this list on how to behave (Source):

People online are real people.

  • If you send a nasty email, there’s a real human being on the other end who gets it.
  • If you flame in a forum, you’re wasting real people’s time.
  • If you spam someone, you’re really only making yourself look bad.
  • If you write IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS it sounds like shouting.
  • If you want something to happen your way, try asking instead of demanding.
  • If you give, you’ll probably wind up getting, too.
  • If you blog just to pick fights, don’t be surprised when people don’t trust you.
  • If you collaborate, say thanks.
  • If you’re independent, say no thanks.
  • If you like someone, tell them.
  • If you don’t, walk away from the computer.
  • If you’re giving feedback, lead with just one good thing.
  • If you’re getting feedback, realize that the person must care a lot to have sent it.
  • If you goof, apologize.
  • If you apologize, mean it.
  • If you smile, mean that too.
  • If you don’t like something, don’t do it.
  • If you do like something, spread it.
But far far more important:
  • Give people a break.
  • The break you probably deserve yourself.
  • People are out to do good, 99% of the time.
  • You probably are too.
  • Say thanks out loud and a lot.
  • Try making someone’s day.
  • Chances are they’ll make yours in return.
 
Big hugs for Martin!
 
I have had posts go missing lately...? There's no way i broke those rules. Is it a mistake or has a mod got trigger happy without really reading the text???
What is going on here?
 
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