Rules Of Conduct

[number6]

I gotta say that while I agree with the need for rules and Jarred's seem fine and reasonable, there's no need to change anything else. There are people on the board with skill levels that can call a poster out who has eaten too much fiber and is at the same time, constipated. They can sniff 'em out.

But at the same time, there are people who come here to learn that are initially anyway, just dumb. But by hiding behind a made-up identity they feel free to ask stupid questions and from that they learn and from that they decide "I can do this!" and they buy a RED camera.

It was my understanding that when I signed up for this forum I agreed that the forum was ouned by RED Digital Cinema Camera Co. and that all the postings on it are ouned by them as well.

So if anyone disagrees with the notion that their words are subject to be changed or even RED carded off the forum, they should write a book or something where they only have to answer to an editor.

They are only words, and we are not limited to a set amount... so if some of our words dissappear, we can always write some new ones. Maybe they will stick.

 

[Leo Ticheli]

OK, I can understand some people are reluctant to share too much information.

How about instead of "mandatory" it's simply "encouraged" to sign posts with as much helpful information as you are comfortable with.

Good shooting and best regards,

Leo Ticheli
Old guy; shooting for thirty plus years
Partner in Production Post Production Company
Director/Cinematographer
Southeast USA
Two VariCams for sale

 

[Ketch Rossi]

Yeah ... especially after meeting you and having to look up ... way UP!:w00t:

Respectful posts are a must, if I was to post something not totally right it would be my accent foult.:innocent:

Ciao

 

[dalemccready]

Leo,

You and many of us already have our area listed on our profile on the left of each post we make. Perhaps the board should add a field or two on the left there that allow for job titles also?

Personally I've always put my real name, it doesn't bother me, but I like that it's a personal choice. It's also enough that Red reiterate the ground rules, and it's up to us to rise to that, or not.

 

[Tom Lowe]

you forgot to mention one of the great things about this place:

7. if you make a drunken rant or fubar a post beyond recognition, redusers can pm the mod and admin team and have it fixed or deleted.

I don't think we need the full name thing. cinematography.com does that, and it's a constant source of disruption. Plus, like others have said, a troll could just make up a name.

 

[Neil W. Smith]

Signal to Noise Ratio

Signal to Noise Ratio

Jarred,

Thanks for stepping up to the plate and instigating a set of fair rules that we can all abide by when posting on RedUser... your site is an incredibly valuable resource to all involved in RED based production and post-production.

However, one of the main complaints I keep hearing from professionals in the industry is the LOW Signal/Noise ratio of the site .... it's becoming increasingly difficult to find the relevant facts and useful insights that many posters have contributed to our understanding of camera operations and workflow.

I totally understand that 'freedom of speech' is an integral part of the Red Revolution and that everyone is entitled to their opinion .... long live the revolution!

Rule #5 starts to address the S/N issue but would it be possible to find some way of identifying the posts that contain mainly idle speculation and irrelevant comments from those that contain useful feedback and valuable insights? This need is particularly acute in the threads initiated by Jim, Ted and the other RED members like Graeme and yourself.

If this post is not in keeping with your Rules of Conduct or you think it is adding to the S/N issue, please delete it immediately.

Regards,
Neil

1. We will delete posts sometimes for any number of reasons.

2. We will not delete criticism or opinion.

3. We will delete posts that would get you punched in the nose if you were to say the same thing in the "real" world.

4. We will delete untrue posts that are slanderous, to a company or an individual.

5. Posts that are not on topic or that drift off topic, will be moved to the proper location.

6. Remember.. you are visiting our house, so above all.. please be respectful.

 

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

De acuerdo.

 

[number6]

Jarred,

Thanks for stepping up to the plate and instigating a set of fair rules that we can all abide by when posting on RedUser... your site is an incredibly valuable resource to all involved in RED based production and post-production.

However, one of the main complaints I keep hearing from professionals in the industry is the high S/N ratio of the site .... it's becoming increasingly difficult to find the relevant facts and useful insights that many posters have contributed to our understanding of camera operations and workflow.

I totally understand that 'freedom of speech' is an integral part of the Red Revolution and that everyone is entitled to their opinion .... long live the revolution!

Rule #5 starts to address the S/N issue but would it be possible to find some way of identifying the posts that contain mainly idle speculation and irrelevant comments from those that contain useful feedback and valuable insights? This need is particularly acute in the threads initiated by Jim, Ted and the other RED members like Graeme and yourself.

If this post is not in keeping with your Rules of Conduct or you think it is adding to the S/N issue, please delete it immediately.

Regards,
Neil

Agreed. We must keep each thread a tunnel so that the ones being chuted through it will not step outside the fence and step in some manure or kick a rock over that had a gold nugget hidden beneath, or something.

Structure and order! Structure and Order! STRUCTURE AND ORDER!!!

 

[Axel Mertes]

As many request real names (I use mine, in ANY forum I've ever attended on the web, because I can still watch the mirror and smile when waking up in the morning) I'd suggest the following:

A closed user forum area for poeple who HAVE their cameras.

Then we hit to flies with one clap:

1. The real names are apparent to RED as to their sales department. Only those should have access to the closed area.

2. You have people then in that forum that own the camera and do not speculate anymore about it. They can REALLY help each other. We will not have "naysayers" anymore.

I am critic person myself, clearly. Having a closed forum for real world users with their real world names will create much more of an Community than the endlessly repeating open speculations and discussions.

I bet, once its "installed" you'll see a the osmotic effect of real world users rarely posting in the open area...

But thats just my point of view.

Axel

 

[Brent J. Craig]

...A closed user forum area for poeple who HAVE their cameras.

This would exclude a very large number of people who USE the camera but don't OWN one.

I don't have a camera or a reservation but I am responsible for ordering, configuring and maintaining several of them. I also use many more from different rental houses and my job requires me to know everything I can about the camera and it's quirks.

Locking the doors wouldn't be very helpful but it would certainly kill the sense of community we have here.

 

[Jim Hoffman]

Your house...is a very very very fine house.

 

[Rudi Herbert]

Axel,

I agree that many posters here do nothing but murky the waters up for the rest of us which actually consider our time a valuable commodity and come here to give and take knowledge, about RED and its technology, but in general about digital cinematography, cutting edge post production techniques and film making in general. I post under my name, and though my company is getting 3 REDS, I don't feel the need to post my number and/or be treated/accepted on the basis of that fact alone. Precluding people without a current camera or a reservation might surely be a way to clean up the airwaves, but it will eliminate a LOT of valuable users of this forum. How about David Mullen, who has no RED, but conducts the forum's most popular thread at Cinematography? I, for one, was undecided between RED and SI for a long while, and after spending a couple of months on the forum and learning more about RED first hand, then I finally decided on RED. And this will be the way many others will make a decision. It is not about not being a "pioneer", some people really need to learn more about an unknown product/technology before committing to it, it's that simple.

However, YES, I wish there was a way to somewhat filter those people out who are not really invested in our business in one way or another. Filtering, by its very essence is not democratic, but then again, why does any forum created by and dedicated to a product/technology/philosophy need to be democratic?

 

[Joel Kaye]

Locking the doors wouldn't be very helpful but it would certainly kill the sense of community we have here.

Yeah. From a sales standpoint I don't think a closed forum would make much sense. Also, I think the wheat gets seperated from the chaff here pretty quickly now.

If you think about what made the DVX such a cult, part of the reason was DVXuser. It's a community. People like to know there's a community they can get help from... it's a decent reason to buy one camera over another, actually. I just think that's the future of smart business. Sure it's like riding a lion - but at least you're riding.

I could see RED putting up a owner area for owners who agreed to a NDA in return for seeing a list of bugs, known issues, development priorities etc. to improve communication even more.

I need to Zen on that a little - I think there's some good to be had by keeping people in the loop but the danger of too much "peanut gallery" interaction. Dilemma.

 

[Brent J. Craig]

...a list of bugs, known issues...

More people than just owners need access to that info. Users do as well. All (most?) users are not owners.

 

[Harry Clark]

I agree with Crewpix. An open forum that is used by MANY people in different positions in the film business can bring different opinions and make others aware of issues and concerns outside of their circle of knowledge.
A closed forum would likely be boring too!
Cheers,
Harry

 

[Joel Kaye]

More people than just owners need access to that info. Users do as well. All (most?) users are not owners.

I don't think we're getting the info I'm talking about at all right now.

Critical stuff should be public.

So we're probably not talking about the same thing. The stuff I'm talking about would be things that there's really nothing we can do about and nothing we can do with... like the bug that's keeping 16 from being released. What's the next major codec development. Why 1:1 preview in camera it so tough to solve. It's irrelevant sorta. But it would make people feel like they were "in the loop" and probably stop some complaints. Again, I'm undecided as to how beneficial that would actually be.

 

[reality]

One thing about owners vs users... owner have a vested interest in the success of the camera while users could really care less if the camera is successful. Lots of negativity damages owners in their ability to rent the camera more often and to insure that prices stays low and red continues to innovate and improve the cameras.

 

[ericyoung]

More people than just owners need access to that info. Users do as well. All (most?) users are not owners.

Agree things should be kept open, but when you can feel one or two particular posters getting your annoyance levels up - just use the ignore list function built into this forum! Maybe it needs more publicity? :tongue:

 

[Ed Blythe]

Add my vote to the no private forum thing (sorry joelnet). Cinevate do that and I've always found it a pain - it vivisects the information and creates two user groups. Redusers not Redowners. I can't see the folk in the Red basement making any of that info available, too many intellectual property issues. And it would probably just lead to more muddy footprints in their house as people feel even MORE entitled to tell 'em what to do.

Agree that it would be wonderful if there was more signal than noise, but have found that enough digging can get you what you need (sometimes the tangents raise interesting questions also). I can't see legislating and imposing a heap of rules really curing this problem.

Hopefully concentration of useful information will increase as more cameras get out there and the tech specs/workflow firm up (oh, wait - we're modular...)

 

[Blue]

3. We will delete posts that would get you punched in the nose if you were to say the same thing in the "real" world.

Ha ha, quite right. Though I wouldn't punch someone in the nose for being cheeky. I'd simply hack their FUCKING HEAD OFF!