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Resolve Lite Vs Colourists II

Cant say i'm an CC expert, but I've been learning Resolve the past few weeks and its very user friendly and super powerful. REALLY REALLY smart design. It's also the industry standard and free, so i'd just skip colorista if I were you. My 2 cents. ; )
 
Jake Wilganowski said:
Cant say i'm an CC expert, but I've been learning Resolve the past few weeks and its very user friendly and super powerful. REALLY REALLY smart design. It's also the industry standard and free, so i'd just skip colorista if I were you. My 2 cents. ; )
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It's AN industry standard. However, in "real" post facilities you'll find just as many, if not more, colorists using Baselight, Lustre, Pablo, and Film Master as you will Resolve. On the desktop, for individual users, what you say is largely true, primarily because of the price (or lack of it).

And, for the record, Resolve is NOT free (although at $1000, it's pretty close). Resolve Lite is free. There are still a number of differences, some of which are pretty important to higher end users.
 
David Kellermann said:
Resolve works in real time (depending on your hardware), while Colorista II is pretty slow... I would definitively get into Resolve instead of Colorista.
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There are a LOT more differences than simply that. LUT's, tracked windows, sophisticated keyers of various types, various curve controls, soft clips, offset controls as well as lift gain and gamma, much more refined processing that takes advantage of GPU power, stills management, color tracing capabilities, hardware panel interfacing, and, in general, an environment that was designed specifically for color grading and a lot of things that go with it - these are all features of Resolve (as well as other dedicated grading programs) that you just won't have in a plug in on an editing program. If you're really looking for something that will give you a lot of the power of a grading program in a plugin, I would suggest looking at the new Baselight plug in for Final Cut. It's got a lot more of what a program like Resolve offers than a simpler tool like Colorista.
 
I wonder if Baselight isn't kicking themselves for making a plugin for an NLE that has been EoL'd. BTW, I'd love a Baselight plugin for Media Composer!
 
M Most said:
There are a LOT more differences than simply that. LUT's, tracked windows, sophisticated keyers of various types, various curve controls, soft clips, offset controls as well as lift gain and gamma, much more refined processing that takes advantage of GPU power, stills management, color tracing capabilities, hardware panel interfacing, and, in general, an environment that was designed specifically for color grading and a lot of things that go with it - these are all features of Resolve (as well as other dedicated grading programs) that you just won't have in a plug in on an editing program. If you're really looking for something that will give you a lot of the power of a grading program in a plugin, I would suggest looking at the new Baselight plug in for Final Cut. It's got a lot more of what a program like Resolve offers than a simpler tool like Colorista.
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Most of the features you mentioned above are part of Colorista! And if in After Effects, the tracker and custom matts, etc are there too....I'd hardly call it a simple tool (even stand alone).....sure it's not as refined or as quick as resolve, but it's certainly powerful and professional. Have you actually learned it/used it? Don't get me wrong, I'll resolve any day over colorista, but I could grade anything I do in resolve, just as well in Colorista II...it might just take me a wee longer. Tracking and speed are the biggest pluses for Resolve...and a streamlined interface.

*Resolve light :)
 
Matthew Scott said:
Most of the features you mentioned above are part of Colorista! And if in After Effects, the tracker and custom matts, etc are there too....I'd hardly call it a simple tool (even stand alone).....sure it's not as refined or as quick as resolve, but it's certainly powerful and professional. Have you actually learned it/used it? Don't get me wrong, I'll resolve any day over colorista, but I could grade anything I do in resolve, just as well in Colorista II...it might just take me a wee longer. Tracking and speed are the biggest pluses for Resolve...and a streamlined interface.

*Resolve light :)
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I agree that Colorista II can do most things Resolve Lite can, but in my experience with the trial version it is too slow and painful a process. It's simply not a real-time color corrector, even at 2K, 4K is unusable. Of course, once combined with After Effects and other plugins it has the potential to do a lot more than Resolve can, but the performance remains a showstopper.

The idea of a color corrector running as a plugin within an NLE is very appealing - especially making fine adjustments to the edit as characteristics like eye trace changes with grading and vice versa - over and above saving the hassles of round-trips and generational losses. Vegas Pro 11 has stunning color correction performance when used with a Radeon HD 7970, but the tools are primitive, tracking is not a feature. I hear Smoke has strong editing and color correction tools. Baselight for FCP 7 seems very promising, and probably the only real solution for "grading inside NLE", just a shame it is only supported on an obsolete NLE with an ill-conceived video architecture, for now anyway. A fully featured real-time color corrector running as a plugin inside Premiere/Avid/Vegas/FCPX will be most welcome for some of us. Dedicated software will of course continue to have its own merits.

Paul, Colorista II will adopt the processing pipeline of the host software. For Premiere Pro or Vegas Pro this will be 32-bit floating point, if enabled.
 
Subhadip Sen said:
The idea of a color corrector running as a plugin within an NLE is very appealing - especially making fine adjustments to the edit as characteristics like eye trace changes with grading and vice versa - over and above saving the hassles of round-trips and generational losses.
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Thanks Subhadip, already knowing Resolve to be so well used and better regarded, you very effectively summed up my potential considerations of C2. Could you elaborate on what you meant by "potentially" you can do more with when using C2 in AE?

Many Thanks

Lliam
 
There's no comparison between Colorista II and the major color apps like Baselight, Nucoda, Resolve. Once you really get into grading, you stop using Colorista II as I have.
Red Giant really needs to dust off the product and either revamp it as a plugin for AE, or make it a competitive standalone program. There's just too many good apps out there that can be had for cheap that are far better. 1) Baselight for FCP 2) Resolve 3) New speedgrade bundled with CS6??
 
I want to learn Resolve. What is the best resource for learning it?
 
Tom Lowe said:
I want to learn Resolve. What is the best resource for learning it?
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The best resource is to come over to my place and have a beer and play around with some shots :)

And yes - I am working on stabilizing that shot... doing a quick Reduser browse while rendering!

Seriously though... fxphd is pretty good. But you should also just come by. When everything calms down for Timescapes... like after NAB... in 2013?

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
Tom Lowe said:
I want to learn Resolve. What is the best resource for learning it?
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The FXPHD course is great. Even though I already know Resolve, I picked it up anyways and thought it was brilliant.

*WARNING I also got a couple other classes that term and they were BRUTUAL

I never mind spending a little money of a workshop etc even if it's not directy in my field but there is some courses on there that you should stay very far away from.
 
Subhadip Sen said:
A fully featured real-time color corrector running as a plugin inside Premiere/Avid/Vegas/FCPX will be most welcome for some of us. Dedicated software will of course continue to have its own merits.
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I'm really hoping Adobe brings out a beautifully designed powerful speed grade working seamlessly within Premier.

mmmmmmm mmmmm
 
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