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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

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Another point, if you need to do an edit onset, why not just edit it cs4, it's as simple as it gets, and then you have edl etc etc, why use redcine to do basic edits, when it's way easier in cs4?

Red has already said there not going to give edl support, so that's that, if you wanna edit on set, use something that works and is easier to edit with then redcine.
 
stricko108 said:
What do cameras like genesis, d21, viper etc offer as far as something like redcine? And if they offer anything, does it have edl support etc?
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Nothing, because they don't have to. Their output is HD video (either single or dual link), there are no files to convert and there is no compression to undo. The images can be recorded and played back on any HD video recording device (anything from a Ki Pro, to a Convergent Designs box, to an S.two, to an SRW-1 HDCam SR recorder, to a computer... you get the picture) and can be displayed on any video monitor. Any color tweaks one would do are done either in the camera itself, or via an external paintbox, or as metadata using things like Speedgrade On-Set, 3CP, or custom solutions. In the case of the Genesis and F35, Panavision can supply the Genesis Display Processor, which will add a LUT to the camera's output for monitor display if desired, and there are other solutions (CineTal monitors and the CineTal Davio, and Thomson LUTher) that will do essentially the same thing. So the short answer is they don't need something like Redcine because the material is already in viewable and recordable form, and solutions for viewing LUTs are already available.
 
mmost said:
Nothing, because they don't have to. Their output is HD video (either single or dual link), there are no files to convert and there is no compression to undo. The images can be recorded and played back on any HD video recording device (anything from a Ki Pro, to a Convergent Designs box, to an S.two, to an SRW-1 HDCam SR recorder, to a computer... you get the picture) and can be displayed on any video monitor. Any color tweaks one would do are done either in the camera itself, or via an external paintbox, or as metadata using things like Speedgrade On-Set, 3CP, or custom solutions. In the case of the Genesis and F35, Panavision can supply the Genesis Display Processor, which will add a LUT to the camera's output for monitor display if desired, and there are other solutions (CineTal monitors and the CineTal Davio, and Thomson LUTher) that will do essentially the same thing. So the short answer is they don't need something like Redcine because the material is already in viewable and recordable form, and solutions for viewing LUTs are already available.
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Ahh, how dumb of me, I always learn alot on these forums, thanks
for the response most.

Regards
Troy Smith
 
Except Red One all other digital cinema camera workflows are either complex or costly. Only red provides solutions which can be easily accessible with your laptop even.
 
gbalaji said:
Except Red One all other digital cinema camera workflows are either complex or costly. Only red provides solutions which can be easily accessible with your laptop even.
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I wouldn't call any workflow based on SR videotape particularly complex. Costly, perhaps, when compared with recording on a CF card or a relatively cheap hard drive. As for Red being the "only" do-it-yourself capable solutions, I would say that any Panasonic P2 camera would also qualify.
 
mmost said:
I wouldn't call any workflow based on SR videotape particularly complex. Costly, perhaps, when compared with recording on a CF card or a relatively cheap hard drive. As for Red being the "only" do-it-yourself capable solutions, I would say that any Panasonic P2 camera would also qualify.
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Panasonic don't make digital cinema cameras.
 
Liam Hall said:
Panasonic don't make digital cinema cameras.
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That hasn't stopped many, many people from using things like the HVX200, the Varicam, and more recently the 3000 series from using them for that purpose. Nor did it stop people from using the F900 for making many pictures, some of which were studio pictures (a little indie called "Star Wars Attack of the Clones" comes to mind....). Nor is it preventing people from doing somewhat appalling things like using a Canon still camera for relatively high end commercial work.

If one wants to take the high road, one must acknowledge that for many, the difference between the high road and the middle road is not great enough these days to allow one to be called "digital cinema" and the other not to.
 
Or films like "November" shot on DV25... whenever I am at film festivals, we always get into a discussion where I have to say "don't confuse resolution with quality." There are so many things that make a "cinema" experience. I have many projects shot on RED that did not deserve it becuase they did not know how to use all it's strengths, and vice versa.

Michael
 
you are talking about the skills of people.

but arent we talking about the instruments in common?

there will always be the guy who shoots the next big indy hit with a mobile phone.
but thats not the point.

its about tools and how useful they are imho
 
In my dreams...:-)
 
D.J. Sing said:
Is there a way to have an integrated Final Cut Pro offline/online workflow button? like "Send to Color".... just send to Redcine X reconnect to the .r3d's grade and render and you're done.
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Intercompatability between softwares only happen between same family of products and redcine is nit part of apple and it will never happen even in wildest dreams. So be practical!
 
gbalaji said:
Intercompatability between softwares only happen between same family of products and redcine is nit part of apple and it will never happen even in wildest dreams. So be practical!
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Aperture allows users to 'round trip' via other software programs, like Photoshop. Given how well FCP works with plug-ins from a myriad of software suppliers, I don't see it as a giant leap to improve the Red work-flow.
 
mmost said:
That hasn't stopped many, many people from using things like the HVX200, the Varicam, and more recently the 3000 series from using them for that purpose. Nor did it stop people from using the F900 for making many pictures, some of which were studio pictures (a little indie called "Star Wars Attack of the Clones" comes to mind....). Nor is it preventing people from doing somewhat appalling things like using a Canon still camera for relatively high end commercial work.

If one wants to take the high road, one must acknowledge that for many, the difference between the high road and the middle road is not great enough these days to allow one to be called "digital cinema" and the other not to.
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I agree, I'm not taking the high road. I've even done appalling things like using the 5D for dramatic effect:)

http://www.vimeo.com/4986612
 
mtseng said:
Jim, make it open source for plugins and program customizations with a lot of documentation
It will be like another revolution
and lot people working free for you making good programs.
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Speaking in general:

This concept is hard to "compile" for many classic businesspeople. It just doesn't fall into the paradigm they are accustomed to. Yes, it brings only benefits to those who adopt it wisely. But usually I don't have very high expectations when such a suggestion is dropped on the table.

Now, in the particular case of RED, you never know. The company is highly innovative and so they might have a better comprehension of this new software development model.
 
Florin Andrei said:
Speaking in general:

This concept is hard to "compile" for many classic businesspeople. It just doesn't fall into the paradigm they are accustomed to.
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Really? Do you know how many thousands of programs are out there that are built on Filemaker? Or Excel? The notion of a working program that is also a building block for developers has been around for quite some time, and quite successfully.
 
It was mentioned that REDCINE X will have a plug-in architecture. What kind is still unclear but it could very well mean a workflow plug-in architecture to support easier integration with third party applications.

Michael
 
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