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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Red still lags behind Arri in UK Drama production

Raw refers to unprocessed images Jake, wherever Bayer or not. The cine crowd just hijacked it.
 
Freya said:
The UK doesn't really work like that. There won't be a "new crop of filmmakers" in the way you are thinking and the UK doesn't really do visionary "Break-Out" shows either. These are more film industry kind of ideas. The UK TV industry works very differently.

This is probably one of the reasons that there is so little interest in the UK TV industry for red cameras.

Freya
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Dont under estimate what is happening with channel 4 drama... Utopia, Humans, Glue... They have a much more experimental and stylistic approach to the cinematography... Especially Utopia.

Interesting that Humans used the Sony F65... Trying to mimic ex-machina?
 
He did say visionary breakout shows, not cinematography. Historically they do a lot of new stuff that is very successful, or make successes out of something. I got to say, there was 10-15 years where it was much more dismal in UK comedy One foot in the grave seemed to be the last outlyer in a long line of comedies up until shows like outnumbered Doc Martin and the legendary IT Crowd. It was if the nobs came and took over comedy interpretation.

One last thing to look up and watch guts:

Time Gentlemen Please. I would be happy with a acting job as an extra sitting at the bar soaking up the atmosphere.

Watch to get the story arc, and look for the episode with the "Raisins" hilarious. Puts all the mega bucks US comedy production requirement to shame. :)
 
Unfortunately no raisins, but it was funnier than this:

Time Gentlemen please. Last episode. Series 2 epi…: http://youtu.be/ll-GMnNy2DY
Time Gentlemen Please Last Episode Part 2: http://youtu.be/h3l3jm8AVEA

Now have you seen many American comedies as funny as this since Mork and Mindy?

The think the raisin episode is:
Time Gentlemen Please Season 2 Episode 11 - Of Mice and Mentallists
 
Wayne Morellini said:
Raw refers to unprocessed images Jake, wherever Bayer or not. The cine crowd just hijacked it.
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Whatever it meant to you before, these days raw in reference to any professional still or movie camera does and should mean the raw sensor data before being debayered. It allows you to get back to the source light levels the sensor actually picked up through the colored filters over each pixel at the time of shooting and implies that there is great flexibility in how it is processed and often offers the possibility for final image improvement as color science is improved.

Any other definition opens the pandora's box of marketing speak and just undermines the ability to decipher more accurately what a camera is capable of doing.
 
Wayne Morellini said:
Raw refers to unprocessed images Jake, wherever Bayer or not. The cine crowd just hijacked it.
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No it does not.
RAW has come to specically mean bayered imagery. Whether still or motion. Its an industry term used by all brands.

Everything else is video, whether "log" or not.

The vague use of "raw" to refer to any type of camera original only spreads confusion, and at times ignorance.

Ive had clients recieve almost impossible to grade footage, because misuse of the word "raw" gave vendors room to deliver incredibly thin negatives...while still saying it was "raw"...when instead it was poorly shot video that wasnt log...but still "unprocessed" enough to be sold as "raw" to clients who use this vague definition of the term.

For clarity in the industry, and protection of clients and vendors alike...I think an accurate use of word RAW is important!!

Happy holidays!!
 
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Michael, that is what I was saying.

Nick, how do people say three chip raw then. It was a technical related term referring to any sensor before the data was altered, that has been butchered by marketing departments to mean Bayer instead.
 
Jay Birch said:
Dont under estimate what is happening with channel 4 drama... Utopia, Humans, Glue... They have a much more experimental and stylistic approach to the cinematography... Especially Utopia.

Interesting that Humans used the Sony F65... Trying to mimic ex-machina?
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That's true! Channel 4 is really trying to get back to its more experimental and exciting past but it's finding it to be a struggle.
Father Abraham can declare a new risk taking and experimental approach all he wants but he needs to get his people behind him.
A lot of the time I think they are working against him.

Utopia was a really interesting programme for sure but it's worth noting that it was canned and that Elisabeth is no longer running Shine.

I was more implying that the UK industry was set up in such a way that there tends not to be a regular crop of new film-makers in the sense that you might think of in the film world. Also things don't entirely tend to "break out" from nowhere. They tend to be comisioned from large establihed companies. You are right to talk about Channel 4 tho as perhaps being an exception slightly, and maybe Sky TV too to some extent as they are a lot more open in terms of employment practices and trying new things too.

Television in the UK tends to be something of a closed shop however.

Freya
 
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