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Oh, the irony.
If the thread is dead, it's easy to stop replying. If there's more to intelligently discuss, by all means have at it.
If the thread is dead, it's easy to stop replying. If there's more to intelligently discuss, by all means have at it.
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I agree. By the way, has anybody tried the new Charmin Ultra Soft toilet paper? A nice soft touch with a light and lovely fragrance.
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I want to see more of this frakin stuff...
http://www.reduser.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1203&d=1190014880
http://www.reduser.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1203&d=1190014880
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Firmware Revision Forum
Currently, posting a bug in the Footage/Field Tests forum is a concern. But, I would have no problem with a new forum that sorts issues and bugs by firmware revision numbers. That way we could save the headaches of someone reading general posts later and re-posting questions on a bug that was fixed with newer firmware. It would also be helpful to know what features are enabled in the different firmwares. Threads that list a bug will be "out-dated" as soon as a new firmware is posted. Move any thread that relates to a bug to its appropriate firmware forum.
It's too early to say "revision 1.xx is stable, but the this new 1.xx.x beta has a really cool feature but will crash if you do this" but that's the kind on notes I'd like to see in a firmware revision forum. I might want to try out the cool feature. Or, I might not need that new cool feature, so I'd then stay with a known stable release.
Should it be private? I don't think so. Most people will understand "Oh...if you have this problem, download this firmware revision" if we list it like a software bug report. Not something we are use to with film cameras, but it's common place with the Internet and computer software/hardware. You are reading this on an Internet forum, I assume?:construction:
Firmware Revision Forum
Currently, posting a bug in the Footage/Field Tests forum is a concern. But, I would have no problem with a new forum that sorts issues and bugs by firmware revision numbers. That way we could save the headaches of someone reading general posts later and re-posting questions on a bug that was fixed with newer firmware. It would also be helpful to know what features are enabled in the different firmwares. Threads that list a bug will be "out-dated" as soon as a new firmware is posted. Move any thread that relates to a bug to its appropriate firmware forum.
It's too early to say "revision 1.xx is stable, but the this new 1.xx.x beta has a really cool feature but will crash if you do this" but that's the kind on notes I'd like to see in a firmware revision forum. I might want to try out the cool feature. Or, I might not need that new cool feature, so I'd then stay with a known stable release.
Should it be private? I don't think so. Most people will understand "Oh...if you have this problem, download this firmware revision" if we list it like a software bug report. Not something we are use to with film cameras, but it's common place with the Internet and computer software/hardware. You are reading this on an Internet forum, I assume?:construction:
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FUD.. thanks Vis. ! Given the footage, what a dumb ass thing to have about a few Red bugs, let alone worrying that someone else would feel that way. Amazing !
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Yeah, but don't get the flower patterned one, man the highlights are soooooo blown out on that print!! :waaa:
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Gawd!
Soft and fluffy though...nobody like the sandpaper feel of the "no frills brand", it's like camping at home...
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Pure heaven......
Pure heaven......
Give me sandpaper over Palm leaves any day......ooyayyy, me nads....
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Pure heaven......
Gawd!
Give me sandpaper over Palm leaves any day......ooyayyy, me nads....
inch:From what I have seen there are a lot of different people with many different purposes. Some with just an interest. Some to help be prepared to use the camera when they get the chance. Some that just think the company has cool bussiness plan. Some old some young. I guess what I am trying to say is that it just seems a little arogant to state that you "get the Purpose" more then anyone else here.
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I have camera #14. I've never seen the camera hang or need a reboot when pressing the record button to end recording. Not once. If that was happening to the original poster 90% of the time, I think it's likely that something was going wrong with that particular camera. So instead of characterizing it as "camera is still very buggy" as the original poster did, a more accurate description would be to say that he was working with a camera that was failing quite a bit. That's just a guess on my part, but that's what I think is likely true.
I haven't found my camera to be very buggy at all, yet it is almost certainly running the exact same firmware version. I have experienced a bad LCD/EVF cable. I have had a hang on reboot happen a handful of times. I have had it occasionally not honor the fan speed setting while recording. That's about it for me -- it's really been surprisingly trouble free. And the images are simply stunning.
I don't mean this post to deny, in any way, the original posters experience -- just thought I'd add some more data to help outside viewers form a (hopefully) realistic and useful picture of where things stand with the camera as of now.
I haven't found my camera to be very buggy at all, yet it is almost certainly running the exact same firmware version. I have experienced a bad LCD/EVF cable. I have had a hang on reboot happen a handful of times. I have had it occasionally not honor the fan speed setting while recording. That's about it for me -- it's really been surprisingly trouble free. And the images are simply stunning.
I don't mean this post to deny, in any way, the original posters experience -- just thought I'd add some more data to help outside viewers form a (hopefully) realistic and useful picture of where things stand with the camera as of now.
90 second power up??! Is that normal for these cameras? That's scary. Did they stick some sort of Linux OS into this thing, with a full OS boot-up? This camera, I like the specs and all, but I'm getting concerned that it might be a 10 pound magnesium case filled with some spaghetti solutions.
P.S. - I think bugs and bad experiences need to be posted to these forums so that people who are in mission critical need of stability can understand the potential issues before they pay out their money.
P.P.S. - If Red is finding more bugs than anticipated at this point in the project, or are falling behind on their scheduled features, then they should consider hiring a few more developers onto their team instead of sliding the shipping dates back too much.
P.S. - I think bugs and bad experiences need to be posted to these forums so that people who are in mission critical need of stability can understand the potential issues before they pay out their money.
P.P.S. - If Red is finding more bugs than anticipated at this point in the project, or are falling behind on their scheduled features, then they should consider hiring a few more developers onto their team instead of sliding the shipping dates back too much.
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Ever heard of the Mythical Man Month?
Put simply, you can't get 9 women to produce one child in one month...
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Really Mark?
On another note I hope things are getting better w/ your injury.
Cheers-- Andrew
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seems to me it's hot.. very hot.. running quite well.. a hit.. even mentioned on cinematography.com.. look out, fanboys.. the big brother is watching us..
http://www.cinematography.com/forum2004/index.php?s=&showtopic=25606&view=findpost&p=194052
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Crap.. I, by know means meant to create this kind of shit-storm. .
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Hi John,
Thanks for sharing your experience and showing us the other side of the coin.
LOL ..... Now, I hate to point out the obvious but.....
A picture's worth a thousand words...
We want to see some of those stunning images. Don't be shy.
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The issue seems to be one of difference of perspective. On the one hand, people are interested in knowing the details of what's going on. On the other hand, you can bet that minor bugs posted on this site are becoming exaggerated as they reverberate through the industry. Stand on the hill and listen for the echoes. Enough reporting of half-evaluated bugs and the industry will have a completely incorrect and unfair image of the camera which will be deeply embedded and difficult to supplant. None of the regular visitors to this site will labor under that misapprehension. That pleasure will be reserved for those in the remainder of the industry who don't take the time to examine all the details.
Persons who now have cameras are early adopters -- a special breed that are pretty much immune to the effects of bug reports. To understand the impact of such things, you have to get into the head of the NON-early adopter -- the majority of the industry who are hyper-sensitive to such things.
Unfortunately, it seems to be the natural tendency of man to embrace and further damaging half-truths. It's not logical. It's just a fact. Logically, there should be no reason why every tiniest issue shouldn't be aired on this forum. But markets are not fully logical and the truth does not always find its way to the surface, regardless of how unjust that might be.
Gibby is correct that there is a proper line for communication of issues. It's a simple matter of fairness. Once rumors start they're extraordinarily difficult to correct. You might then expect to have the following conversation: A: "I heard Red has a problem with [fill in the blank]." B: "It did, for about two weeks, but it was completely resolved." A: "Really? I hadn't heard that. Are you sure? (etc.)" These kinds of rumors have a direct effect on the bottom line.
As Manny stated:
Let's select a balance that gives the Red guys an opportunity to render the issue moot before it requires an expensive media relations campaign to set straight.
The Red guys have been straight dealers. They deserve a fighting chance.
Persons who now have cameras are early adopters -- a special breed that are pretty much immune to the effects of bug reports. To understand the impact of such things, you have to get into the head of the NON-early adopter -- the majority of the industry who are hyper-sensitive to such things.
Unfortunately, it seems to be the natural tendency of man to embrace and further damaging half-truths. It's not logical. It's just a fact. Logically, there should be no reason why every tiniest issue shouldn't be aired on this forum. But markets are not fully logical and the truth does not always find its way to the surface, regardless of how unjust that might be.
Gibby is correct that there is a proper line for communication of issues. It's a simple matter of fairness. Once rumors start they're extraordinarily difficult to correct. You might then expect to have the following conversation: A: "I heard Red has a problem with [fill in the blank]." B: "It did, for about two weeks, but it was completely resolved." A: "Really? I hadn't heard that. Are you sure? (etc.)" These kinds of rumors have a direct effect on the bottom line.
As Manny stated:
Let's select a balance that gives the Red guys an opportunity to render the issue moot before it requires an expensive media relations campaign to set straight.
The Red guys have been straight dealers. They deserve a fighting chance.
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i actually meant: the big brother is watching you.. ehehehehe
look out, fanboys.. the big brother is watching us..
http://www.cinematography.com/forum2004/index.php?s=&showtopic=25606&view=findpost&p=194052
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hey, not you rickie.. since your jan crittenden cowgirl times, i'm used to love you..
now, respect.. respecting you.. you're definitely not an asshole..